symphylids!!!

[Clix]

So I have symphylids does anyone know how to kill them for sure or what my options are? I have picked up a liquid form of B.T.K. As its the only thing I could find online that may work. Ether way they are root destroyers and seem quite immune to allot of insecticides. Would love info from someone that has dealt with this personally. All help is welcome though thanks peoples

 

[Clix]

So I called safers witch is the company that made the product I'm using with the B.T.K. They said it will not kill them soooooooo Ya uhhhhh lol I got no plan lol

 

[Waira]

...I looked around too Clix- ...same thing ....I can think of only two things to try with, as a soil drench: pure Neem oil, and a product with spinosad in it,... neither are instant killers; neem might at least sicken them, acting as an anti-feedant; spinosad is not very broad spectrum in killing power, so that a dice toss at best,... play angry scientist if you have these rpoducts, and scoop some soil and bugs out, and treat them to see,...

 

[Clix]

...I looked around too Clix- ...same thing ....I can think of only two things to try with, as a soil drench: pure Neem oil, and a product with spinosad in it,... neither are instant killers; neem might at least sicken them, acting as an anti-feedant; spinosad is not very broad spectrum in killing power, so that a dice toss at best,... play angry scientist if you have these rpoducts, and scoop some soil and bugs out, and treat them to see,...

Nice thanx for the ideas Ya it's crazy I found a ton of info on them. Even in food crops they can never get rid of them its all about keeping there numbers down or harm reduction. So keeping soil as dry as possible so they are further down away from the root ball and such. I picked up a product called silicon dioxide(make sure you get food grade) its chem free and although I doubt the little bastards will feed on it. It acts like sand and cuts through their shell. Works on centipedes witch they are related to. So giving it a whirl. Will report how things go.

 

[Waira]

oh yeah! diatomaceous earth it's called, formed from the "skeletal" frames marine algae form up around themselves, and laid down in huge deposits,... look'm up and you'll see-- freaking amazing complexity, all from a single cell plant! Most are indeed SiO2-- glass essentially-- others may be CaCO3.... and yeah, at that scale, it's like glass spikes and blades they're crawling over,... downside is, it's largely a surface-near surface treatment only, a physical killer, I'm not sure if they'd actually ingest some by accident deeper down,... still it's worth a try, and any on the surface will get shanked for sure! It's a super fine powder, messy crap to work with; I like to use a small fine strainer, and "sugar" up the surface like powdered sugar, about 1/8th" deep,... it'll get sloshed around after some watering, so add a little here and there,... no harm to plant at least!

 

[FishDude]

I've heard shellfish meal can kill them. The theory is that it will produce an army of chitin eating bacteria that will turn on the bugs as well.
The downside: ever been to a beach with stuff rotting? What did you think of the smell?

 

[FishDude]

Oh yeah, has the tendency to attract dogs, cats, raccoons... Then again some people happily use it as a great fertilizer

 

[Clix]

oh yeah! diatomaceous earth it's called, formed from the "skeletal" frames marine algae form up around themselves, and laid down in huge deposits,... look'm up and you'll see-- freaking amazing complexity, all from a single cell plant! Most are indeed SiO2-- glass essentially-- others may be CaCO3.... and yeah, at that scale, it's like glass spikes and blades they're crawling over,... downside is, it's largely a surface-near surface treatment only, a physical killer, I'm not sure if they'd actually ingest some by accident deeper down,... still it's worth a try, and any on the surface will get shanked for sure! It's a super fine powder, messy crap to work with; I like to use a small fine strainer, and "sugar" up the surface like powdered sugar, about 1/8th" deep,... it'll get sloshed around after some watering, so add a little here and there,... no harm to plant at least!

Uhhhhh so new thing one of my leaves went shiny like SUPER shiny no other symptoms though feels like a normal leaf besides the look other leaves appear to be going the same way heres a pic

 

[Clix]

So I 'm thinking shiny means to much nitrogen as the following pic shows how dark one of my leaves are also shows some new thing going on that looks like calcium deff but it looks different then the last time I had so would like a fresh opinion (aka other then mine lol) I am concerned it could be salt damage or possible the bug damage starting to show up any opinions?

P.s The shiny leaves are beginning to feel different then the other leaves less like velvet and more waxy at least some of them.

 

[Clix]

@Waira Hey have you ever noticed the silicon dioxide smelling weird after you watered?