Lighting are LED's efficient?

I like to think if its producing heat it isnt producing light but its costing you.

I dont even have LED but the logic seems to say they are cheaper just cause they are cooler.

A 600w magnetic ballast would cost more than a 600w digi as the heat is electricity.
Then you have Amps.....
 
My next pick besides the solar storm would be the black dog leds

This worries me about Black Dog: "proprietary Phyto-genesis Spectrum"

I don't see their spectrum nor ratio mentioned anywhere, and like California Lightworks, Black Dog is expensive for what appear to be LG/TopLED lights.

I feel like LEDs are maturing and becoming commoditized. I'm sure it's a challenge for those who've developed reputations, invested in earlier advancements, etc. But, the bottom line is that spectrum and ratio is no longer something that can be kept a secret. Companies like Fero, Grow Northern, Area 51, Hans, et. al., are evolving their spectrum and publishing it. GN and A51 go as far as to publish the actual LED part numbers.

It's becoming more like Open Source where the companies have to compete on more tangible attributes like quality of materials, service, warranty, proprietary modulating drivers, etc. When I see stuff like "proprietary spectrum" (or "blend" as CLW calls it), I see someone trying to maintain an edge through marketing. The allure of having something "secret" that will give you an edge. Fake secrecy (which doesn't exist, because anyone can uncover the spectrum and ratio after buying a light) coupled with inordinately high prices doesn't have a ring of truth to it (IMO). It looks like struggling to maintain a comfy position among increasing competition.

If you're not on a budget, I'd encourage you to support those who are leading innovation and publishing what they're asking you to feed your plants.

If you are on a budget, you can model a desirable spectrum through a custom Cidly Apollo. Hansbrick, Tang (and some with him) did it. It's discussed here. (<<link) The Alibaba seller is mentioned in that thread as well as a few different leading spectrum/ratios.

I just ordered one for $149 with free shipping. That's a nice option to model a light's NPK equivalent (the spectrum you're going to "feed" the plant) before buying into better components, stronger light, longer warranties, better (higher paid) support. I'm modeling the GN's rebel module (I specified same spectrum, and half the number of bulbs because Cidly is 15 pieces while GN's rebel is 30). I anticipate getting the new GN when it's available. But, this let's me get a taste. And, I'll end up with a backup light.

My point is: Why support a company that doesn't let you model what they're asking you to feed your plants? The offensive part of that protectionism is that competitors can easily discover the spectrum and ratio. Consumers can too (with a bit of effort). So, it's not really a "secret." All it does is keep consumers ignorant. When there are companies out there setting a better example, why support those promoting "closed source" practices? Especially at those inflated prices?

TopLED does the fake "secret" thing too. But, their prices are bargain basement by comparison. It's hard to understand what they're trying to protect. It seems more innocent, like a practice they thought was "normal." Given the value of their lights (you get a lot of bulb for the money), fewer people are inclined to care?

But, these mega-expensive guys with "Blend-o-Matic(tm)" nonsense, I think they're going to be less relevant as time goes on. I mean, today consumers can buy a radio spectrometer for $40. It doesn't make sense to promulgate a high-priced "Secret Sauce(tm)" when anyone could measure each bulb and publish those details. I'd much rather support someone like Area-51 who says "here's the Cree part number."

Good luck. I'm sure those expensive models are good, and that people have good grows. (I can point you to 3 grow journals for A51's new all-white XGS light. Monster, lush, leafy plants.).
 
Solor Storm 880's cost over 2,000 bucks each and you want four of them? That's over 8,000 bucks for four lights.That to me is crazy. Solor Storm lights are way out of line compared to most other lights cost. For the price of one SS880 you can buy four of the new GN lights coming out,or sixteen GN lights for the 8,000 bucks for four SS880's.

You could buy thirty three, 600 watt Chinese made LED grow lights for that $8000...............
 
You could buy thirty three, 600 watt Chinese made LED grow lights for that $8000...............
Kind of amazing isn't it? Yet people still pay the extra money for what they perceive as quality... The reality is huge markup and mad profit.
 
I've seen many times over on 3 different forums that the LED I bought can perform, I'm not too sad that it doesn't have a re-badged name on it, those stickers are EXPENSIVE lol
 
I've seen many times over on 3 different forums that the LED I bought can perform, I'm not too sad that it doesn't have a re-badged name on it, those stickers are EXPENSIVE lol

Which LED do you use dude? I have no doubt that expensive LED's work well. I'm just a tight ass.
 
600w Led is way more than 600 w Hps cause u only need that much Hps power to come to the needed Specs of Light. With Leds u can Modify the Specs without using more Power cause every Diode can be made in the Colour Spec u need. The real counting is 100w of Led is effective as 400w of Hps power. Its not bout the Power u give more like u give the Plants what they want in Colour of the Light ;)
 
600w Led is way more than 600 w Hps cause u only need that much Hps power to come to the needed Specs of Light. With Leds u can Modify the Specs without using more Power cause every Diode can be made in the Colour Spec u need. The real counting is 100w of Led is effective as 400w of Hps power. Its not bout the Power u give more like u give the Plants what they want in Colour of the Light ;)


Hiya buddy, do you have any stats of figures to support this?
 
Hiya buddy, do you have any stats of figures to support this?

They're out there dude. I thought it was just accepted fact that LED's are more efficient than HIDs. You can't customize the output of a HPS, and it converts a lot of electricity into heat energy, and a lot of electricity into light spectrums that aren't used for photosynthesis. LED technology for a start is more efficient at turning electricity into light, combined that with the fact that you can target the specific light spectrums that are optimal for growth...there's no escaping the fact that you will get more growth per unit of electricity out of a photosynthesis targeted spectrum, than you will out of a street lamp.

Actually the new development areas around me are incorporating LED technology into even street lamps. Because its more efficient... Less electricity required to produce the same amount of light.

I've dealt with LED negativity at literally every hydro shop i've been to in my town. Whenever i say I'm using LED's people laugh at me. I had a guy locally tell me, that if i brought him photos of decent flowers grown under LED he would eat his hat and start stocking LED's. I'm going to take him photos, a knife, a fork and some tomato sauce.

Plenty of ways to skin a cat, HID's grow killer buds, so do LED's. Think I heard HID gets a better coverage area

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Hiya buddy, do you have any stats of figures to support this?

They're out there dude. I thought it was just accepted fact that LED's are more efficient than HIDs. You can't customize the output of a HPS, and it converts a lot of electricity into heat energy, and a lot of electricity into light spectrums that aren't used for photosynthesis. LED technology for a start is more efficient at turning electricity into light, combined that with the fact that you can target the specific light spectrums that are optimal for growth...there's no escaping the fact that you will get more growth per unit of electricity out of a photosynthesis targeted spectrum, than you will out of a street lamp.

Actually the new development areas around me are incorporating LED technology into even street lamps. Because its more efficient... Less electricity required to produce the same amount of light.

I've dealt with LED negativity at literally every hydro shop i've been to in my town. Whenever i say I'm using LED's people laugh at me. I had a guy locally tell me, that if i brought him photos of decent flowers grown under LED he would eat his hat and start stocking LED's. I'm going to take him photos, a knife, a fork and some tomato sauce.

Plenty of ways to skin a cat, HID's grow killer buds, so do LED's. Think I heard HID gets a better coverage area
 
They're out there dude. I thought it was just accepted fact that LED's are more efficient than HIDs. You can't customize the output of a HPS, and it converts a lot of electricity into heat energy, and a lot of electricity into light spectrums that aren't used for photosynthesis. LED technology for a start is more efficient at turning electricity into light, combined that with the fact that you can target the specific light spectrums that are optimal for growth...there's no escaping the fact that you will get more growth per unit of electricity out of a photosynthesis targeted spectrum, than you will out of a street lamp.

Actually the new development areas around me are incorporating LED technology into even street lamps. Because its more efficient... Less electricity required to produce the same amount of light.

I've dealt with LED negativity at literally every hydro shop i've been to in my town. Whenever i say I'm using LED's people laugh at me. I had a guy locally tell me, that if i brought him photos of decent flowers grown under LED he would eat his hat and start stocking LED's. I'm going to take him photos, a knife, a fork and some tomato sauce.

Plenty of ways to skin a cat, HID's grow killer buds, so do LED's. Think I heard HID gets a better coverage area

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They're out there dude. I thought it was just accepted fact that LED's are more efficient than HIDs. You can't customize the output of a HPS, and it converts a lot of electricity into heat energy, and a lot of electricity into light spectrums that aren't used for photosynthesis. LED technology for a start is more efficient at turning electricity into light, combined that with the fact that you can target the specific light spectrums that are optimal for growth...there's no escaping the fact that you will get more growth per unit of electricity out of a photosynthesis targeted spectrum, than you will out of a street lamp.

Actually the new development areas around me are incorporating LED technology into even street lamps. Because its more efficient... Less electricity required to produce the same amount of light.

I've dealt with LED negativity at literally every hydro shop i've been to in my town. Whenever i say I'm using LED's people laugh at me. I had a guy locally tell me, that if i brought him photos of decent flowers grown under LED he would eat his hat and start stocking LED's. I'm going to take him photos, a knife, a fork and some tomato sauce.

Plenty of ways to skin a cat, HID's grow killer buds, so do LED's. Think I heard HID gets a better coverage area

I just meant the 100w led is 400w hps thats all
 
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