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Dr. Aaron Carroll, a professor of pediatrics at Indiana University School of Medicine, wrote an article in The New York Times exploring what's known about the risks of these two popular and easily abused substances. And while he doesn't advocate users trying either one, he says it's clear that overall, alcohol causes a lot more harm.

Though many people associate drugs with crime, Carroll notes that most of the criminal activity tied to marijuana has to do with illegal distribution, not violence committed by people who smoke it.

"On the other hand, the number of crimes that are committed that have some sort of alcohol component related to them are massive -- hundreds of thousands a year, if not more," he said. "It's far worse than what's going on with pot."
Violent assaults, in particular, are often fueled by alcohol. In contrast, Carroll says research shows rates of interpersonal or domestic violence are actually "lower in people who smoke marijuana than people that don't."

Also tipping the scales against drinking is the fact that 1,800 college students die each year from alcohol-related accidents and almost 600,000 are injured while under the influence of alcohol, according to the National Institutes of Health.

"We always worry about pot as a gateway drug," Carroll said, "but research shows us that about 9 percent of people who experiment with pot will become dependent or abuse it. The percent that later become dependent or abuse alcohol is greater than 20 percent. So more people who use alcohol are actually going to have a problem with it later in life."

Why is alcohol more socially accepted, despite all the evidence stacking up against it? Carroll thinks that's an accident of history -- because it's been around and legal for a longer period of time. "It's hard to argue from data or from actual science that that's the way it should be," he said.
 
is greater than 20 percent. So more people who use alcohol are actually going to have a problem with it later in life."

Why is alcohol more socially accepted, despite all the evidence stacking up against it? Carroll thinks that's an accident of history -- because it's been around and legal for a longer period of time. "It's hard to argue from data or from actual science that that's the way it should be," he said.

Alcohol goes back to ancient times. So does weed. But matches don't. Had it been as easy to spark up in ancient times as it was to tip a gourd, maybe weed would have tied or even beat out booze in popularity. As it was, there were plenty of chewable substances people used that were much more potent than the weed of the day. Royalty had people to prepare weed for them. Hash, elixirs and such but when anyone else wanted a non alcohol buzz they most likely knew what was potent in the area. Then came hash production which probably changed that dynamic as one side effect of the "others" was often death. That hasn't changed much.
 
Dennis Leary said it best. Smoking pot doesn't lead to violence it leads to carpentry.... Hmmm I bet I can build a bong out of that!
 
Almost every day I can turn on the news and hear about some DWI and a drunk killing someone from behind the wheel. I have NEVER heard of a stoner going for a spin and driving the wrong way down the interstate.
 
Salutations CappY,

...an article in The New York Times...

One concern i have with traditional media is the message behind the message, the messenger behind the messenger... At least that's not always so obvious; e.g. who performs the talking and who's he been talking to, what for, etc...

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M'well, i figured this fellow was much more instrumental to the TV industry baron$ than anything else:

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...about 9 percent of people who experiment with pot will become dependent or abuse it.

A while ago i had an opportunity to read about that 9 %. The way i remember it statistics fail to account for some basic factors such as the consumption method, social environment and consequences for dealing with stigma - that from police and their own kind of associated "health risks", for starters, etc... In addition nationalized bigotry turns toxic parents against those they're supposed to guide, how tragic is that?! Last but not least lets argue the numbers are about cannabis-enhanced smoking while definitions are surprizingly inclusive, so just don't hold your breath waiting for governments to advise their polutations to switch to vaporism for their own safety! Of course...

Anyway, the number i had in mind sounds more like 2.2 % (max. in USA unless i recall incorrectly) for "addicts" and that's relatively stable despite decades of THC-optimized breeding, which means the CBD's mediating role is completely ignored/rejected for no decent purpose, etc. Now how convenient is that for anti-cannabic war supporter$$$! Euh...

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Carroll thinks that's an accident of history -- because it's been around and legal for a longer period of time.

When words can't realistically describe a complex situation lets remember this simple adage: pictures are worth a thousand words, consequently here's my diaporama version - simply because i don't trust specialists enough to give up my own right of speech i guess!


Briefly put the way to heaven is paved with good intentions...

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Now here's a video document published by retired policemen (...):


YouTube: A retired Narc's stunning inside view of how Drug War perpetuates itself @ 1:54 (2014-Oct-14)

« And if you go back and you look at the statistics from 1970 you'll see that the likelihood of anybody dying, right here in the United-States, as a result of the drug culture, was less than the likelyhood of them dying from falling down the steps in their own house... »


Carroll's "accident" could make sense in historian dialogs though i'd need to comment it's a history of interre$t$ converging and cannabis became the smoke-screen for peculiar individuals trying to stirr up fears, exploiting "Tough Love" for example...

After all this is in the name of love and heavens, whatever. Right?...


Etc., etc. Amen!!

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Good day, have fun!

:peace:
 
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Egzoset, the narcs vid is the best, most honest explanation I've heard. Thank you for digging it out of the hype.
 
Salutations Feenix,

Egzoset, the narcs vid is the best, most honest explanation I've heard. Thank you for digging it out of the hype.

Honestly i feel like expressing my gratitude to the person who offered my an opportunity to witness this precious testimony myself! Too bad i don't recall a name, though i can certainly remember a few probable forums.

It reaches me directly somehow, this man has a fair sense of magnetism and i remember after i heard him well, many times in a row as i wanted an exact transcript to share later, actually... After his speech for a last time i visited the web site and beyond, but as a newbie in those matters i must warn the reader against their own personal sensivity as this may expose to the risk of burning oneself! Because there are cases caused by such twisted ideologies on occasions, which i found disturbing to stand as a human among others like me. The lethal victims are real, the paper articles equally. If that's all a hoax then i'll be damned! Maybe i already am anyway: just last night they were so depressing on the evening TV news, Montreal an international cannabis research center. Pfff! What for?! And to serve who's purpose exactly?? IMO they'll never stop... Oh well, that's another story!

So i'll simply comment the man has found words capable of building bridges, that's why i wish more politicians will listen to him and his fellow peers, just as we did, etc. I simply passed the good vibes along a chain!

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In Canada this would be 3 guys in particular only, the rest of their followers can wait - and i'm not really a fan of any of them.

YMMV. I wish you luck on US land!!

Good day, have fun! :peace:
 
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