Indoor Crash and burn, resurrection, and Light comparison, first auto grow

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Hi folks, I intro’ed myself a while back. Cloning was my favorite method back when I did this kind of thing. The autos got my attention because it seemed a short cut to getting where I like to be, in the buds. It’s going to take some time to get used to all the foliage again from all the great pictures I have seen here as I just fall in love with straight up solid bud with none of the bush.

Crash and burn! From my first seeds I only have one Think Different that survived out of 7 TD and all 5 Ruderalis Indica died from a sort of root rot on my first run. All I can figure is that distilled water and Rhizotonic are not a good idea when sprouting seeds. In my day, we never pre started seeds. Pick the best, put them in a pea pod and use spring water and never fail. What you see in these pictures are from my second run (which is why half of my pails are empty waiting for new seeds) which have done well for what they are. Weak looking seeds produce weak looking plants, at least at first. I have 10 plants started. 2 pails have 2 plants each as they are RI auto regular (looking for at least one healthy male). All those RI seeds were perfect looking and all 10 came to life (but the first 5 died off in the first crash). You can see how full of life they are. I can see this in a seed before they burst out. I swear, even after 20+ years, they talk to me like they used to. One plant is a TD that survived and is stunted but I believe that it will really come on strong. It appears to have some weird issues but I believe it’s from the shock it went through to live and had to be subjected to H202 (I’ll post pictures of the failed crop and you can see the one that survived). I also had to throw together a DWC system for it so as not to take a chance on contamination.

Also looking stunted are the Star Ryder that is not from DP. All those seeds looked like bird seeds and out of 5, 3 came up. The smallest one you see here is the one that I gave a few extra days before I gave up hope on the 3 that didn’t sprout. And one “free” sugar mango ryder fem auto.

These are under a 300wt LED and a 1000wt hybrid MH/HPS. This LED is a kick ass lamp and the plants under that side are far happier then the HID side which blows my mind but makes me a happy man. The people that asked me to test this bulb are ecstatic and we are adding another and going to lower the HID to a 600wt to reduce the heat. The new LED will have IR added to the spectrum because the plants getting both types of light are actually the happiest and after looking at the spectrums, only the IR is missing from the LED. You guys that listen to the advertising hype about different LED will be able to take a lesson from this grow. Just for fun, the LED is producing 64K LUX at 75cm and the HID (which was my personal favorite for doing well but is now out of the running) is producing 60K LUX at 75cm. now to understand this, understand that the HID is producing a little less “total” visible light spread across the spectrum. The LED is producing a little more visible light, BUT it is only using 4 different nm ranges which means that they are producing 3-5 times the amount of reds and blues that the HID is producing. There is a whole lot more I would like to share about the lighting and "cheap China crap" from what I have read on some of the threads here but this is getting long and maybe should have its own thread.

I’ll fill in the grow room details and such as I go along here. Great place to be. Some really knowledgeable people here with autos that are willing to help in a manner that is respectable. As an old guy, I like that :)
 
BTW, the TD is the plant in the DWC system with the blue lid and is 3 weeks old. the others are one week+ old.
 
Lets see whats under the skirt...lol If you can snap a pic of the roots I'll give you my best idea whats up, till then I'm guessing
 
ya lets see under the skirt
 
I'll take some more pictures when i get back to the grow room. I thought i put up all that info....mus have been a different thread. ph has been 5.5- 6.2, the ppm of nut has been at 100ish when first potted and is now at 200ish. 6pot aero system (2 of them) and dwc systems, 2 in use and 4 more to build. there is a dash of rhizotonic now that i see some good rooting starting. using flora duo 2 part system. I have BMO organic i was going to use but i had a bad start with rhizo and lost 7 seedlings to root rot so i was a bit skidish about jumping back into it. the TD plant thats all distorted is the only survivor from that mess. the confusing part is that i have different looking problems in the same grow system. I did use h202 in the beginning after the root problem but after my flush a few days ago, its just low nutrient at 200ppm. the healthy plants have nice roots dropping down and the stunted plants (poor seeds) have little to no roots dropping yet . yep, any help would be appreciated. my experience has all been dirt to start mothers (or out side) and flow table for clones. used the stuff available to us back in the 60-late 80's and have never had these problems. yet in all honesty there are only a few seeds i would have bothered to plant out of what i got but at$10 a pop, all were planted.
 
and yes, i agree that it looks like nuts or ph but some dark green plants and some pale green on the tops, but they are different strains......but with a double check ph (electronic and the old fashion way) and using 1/3 of low ppm nuts?????
 
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