Indoor Curing your plants with nutrients?

[fweedom]

Hey guys my plant has some leaves yellowing off and dying at the bottom along with some droopy leaves and a had a few questions..

1. Are bloom nutes supposed to have more N than veg nutes?

You can see the NPK on the bottle and my veg nutes have more N than my bloom and i believe i may have nitrogen deficiency but my plants are ready for bloom nutes..

2. I was going to add some epsom salts just in case i have mag deficiency as well but can i add salts with the nutes or is that not good?

so what do you guys think?

My plants are in full budding and ready for bloom nutes but as u can see my bloom nutes have a low N and i think my plant needs more Nitrogen.

3. Can u do a mix of veg and bloom nutes?

they are hungry for sure but im just not sure what exactly i should feed :cough:

my last watering was a week ago so im going to wait for a response before i do anything! please help before things get worse! :jaw:

 

[Scott817]

1) Most bloom nutes have a much lower N value then Veg nutes

2) I wouldn't add any epsom salts unless you start seeing some issues.

2) With organic nutes you can but not with chemical nutes. I would recommend making a tea with bat guano and add that to up the N value.

I think alot of people bail out on the veg nutes to early which can lead to this. When the plant is in pre-flower is it still in veg and it is common for people to switch to early. Some of us are running veg nutes all the way up to week 6 for example.

Best of luck on the rest of your grow and I will check in from time to time

 

[fweedom]

2) With organic nutes you can but not with chemical nutes. I would recommend making a tea with bat guano and add that to up the N value.

So i cant add some tiger bloom nutes and a little grow big for the N? i have to do one or the other? :smokebuds:

 

[wg]

How're the stems of those yellow leaves, are they purple? Any other purpling parts of the plant structure? (Main stalk, stems, leaf stems, etc)

Can you throw up some shots of the plant?
What're you using for your pH situation?

This happened to me *everytime* with TigerBloom.. it was a phosphorous lock-out due to pH issues because my soil wasn't capable of buffering the tiger bloom..

Once I switched to Botanicare I stopped having issues with the phosphorous lock-out.. >_>

 

[fweedom]

How're the stems of those yellow leaves, are they purple? Any other purpling parts of the plant structure? (Main stalk, stems, leaf stems, etc)

Can you throw up some shots of the plant?
What're you using for your pH situation?

This happened to me *everytime* with TigerBloom.. it was a phosphorous lock-out due to pH issues because my soil wasn't capable of buffering the tiger bloom..

Once I switched to Botanicare I stopped having issues with the phosphorous lock-out.. >_>

I'll take pics now and post asap.

 

[fweedom]

heres plenty of pics so i can get a clear diagnosis!! please share your thoughts

pictures arent the best but i turned off the lights to try to make the color more natural can somebody tell me exactly whats wrong and what i need to do based off this? thanks guys

 

[wg]

There's no way to say for absolute sure, but that really doesn't look like a nitrogen def. I'm thining PK lockout / deficiency, what do you use to measure your pH? What is the pH of your water when you're watering? How do you do your water, do you add nutrient then pH or add pH then nutrients? That's pretty much the exact same thing that was happening to me when I switched to Tiger Bloom..

The purpling stems, yellow spots between the leaf veins and dying off lower growth is typically phosphorous and possibly potassium.

 

[fweedom]

There's no way to say for absolute sure, but that really doesn't look like a nitrogen def. I'm thining PK lockout / deficiency, what do you use to measure your pH? What is the pH of your water when you're watering? How do you do your water, do you add nutrient then pH or add pH then nutrients? That's pretty much the exact same thing that was happening to me when I switched to Tiger Bloom..

The purpling stems, yellow spots between the leaf veins and dying off lower growth is typically phosphorous and possibly potassium.

I add nutes to the water then adjust to as close as 6.5 using the dropper test. I have a Hanna meter but it jumps around and its kind of a pain do I been using the color liquid test.

I have yet to add tiger bloom I hope that doesn't just cause more problems what do u suggest

 

[wg]

The dropper tests aren't too accurate with water that has a tint to it. A slight tint yes, but the deeper color the less accurate it is. When you say the Hanna meter jumps around what do you mean? I'm not entirely sure what kind of advice to offer my friend but I'd still like to believe it's a PH issue more so than a lack of nutrient. Haven't you been feeding veg nutes for the last week and a half now? It's hard to believe that's a deficiency. I wouldn't feed "more" Grow Big although your plants show NO sign of nutrient burn at all, they are very lush green outside of the problem areas. Are they still growing vertically?

I'd get calibration solution and calibrate the Hanna meter, after you're sure it's calibrated, flush with 6.3 water. Also, when the plants are budding you can bring your nutrient ph closer to 6.2-6.3 to help a little. When you say "as close to 6.5" as possible, what is that? Above or below 6.5? The soil will buffer it regardles though. That's FoxFarms Ocean Forest soil?

 

[X]

I was going to add some epsom salts just in case i have mag deficiency

If you add something "just in case" and there is already enough, you can cause problems. .. agree with scott.

Can u do a mix of veg and bloom nutes?

Yes. It is recommended you do not mix the ferts together directly, but you can pour them separately into the same water.

How old are those plants? They look to be well past the stage I start adding bloom nutes.

The dying off of the lower leaves is no big deal... at all. But, though the leaves look green, they also look droopy. To me, the plants look like maybe they need water, have N overfert (not likely), or pH lockout. If your pots have gotten root-bound (which is possible, they're very tall), you will may need to water every day, and they will require more nutes since whatever was in the soil-mix to start with may be used up.

Even though your bloom ferts have less N than P, they still should have enough for this phase of your plant's life. A kinda rule of thumb...They need higher quantities of different nutes for different phases of their lives and it is the same order we know the numbers in... First phase (wk2/3-wk5) more N (grow nutes), Second phase (wk5/6-wk 7/8) more P (bloom nutes), Third phase (wk7/8-wk9/10) more K (molasses).... water till finish. 1st-N.. 2nd-P... 3rd-K This is a rough, undetailed estimate and will vary some from strain to strain, pheno to pheno, but the order stays consistent.

wg2 is right about the pH color chart. It only works if the water is not discolored... And, that would explain a lockout issue. Since you don't have a working pH meter, I suggest giving straight buffered, water for a week or so and see what gives. It will do no good to put the nutes in until you can buffer the mix before feeding the plant. It will just make things worse.

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