Indoor Curing your plants with nutrients?

[fweedom]

The dropper tests aren't too accurate with water that has a tint to it. A slight tint yes, but the deeper color the less accurate it is. When you say the Hanna meter jumps around what do you mean? I'm not entirely sure what kind of advice to offer my friend but I'd still like to believe it's a PH issue more so than a lack of nutrient. Haven't you been feeding veg nutes for the last week and a half now? It's hard to believe that's a deficiency. I wouldn't feed "more" Grow Big although your plants show NO sign of nutrient burn at all, they are very lush green outside of the problem areas. Are they still growing vertically?

I'd get calibration solution and calibrate the Hanna meter, after you're sure it's calibrated, flush with 6.3 water. Also, when the plants are budding you can bring your nutrient ph closer to 6.2-6.3 to help a little. When you say "as close to 6.5" as possible, what is that? Above or below 6.5? The soil will buffer it regardles though. That's FoxFarms Ocean Forest soil?

well ive only given one feeding and that was a week ago of veg nutes thats it. other than that just ph'd water.

when i say close to 6.5 i mean this..

 

[fweedom]

If you add something "just in case" and there is already enough, you can cause problems. .. agree with scott.

Yes. It is recommended you do not mix the ferts together directly, but you can pour them separately into the same water.

How old are those plants? They look to be well past the stage I start adding bloom nutes.

The dying off of the lower leaves is no big deal... at all. But, though the leaves look green, they also look droopy. To me, the plants look like maybe they need water, have N overfert (not likely), or pH lockout. If your pots have gotten root-bound (which is possible, they're very tall), you will may need to water every day, and they will require more nutes since whatever was in the soil-mix to start with may be used up.

Even though your bloom ferts have less N than P, they still should have enough for this phase of your plant's life. A kinda rule of thumb...They need higher quantities of different nutes for different phases of their lives and it is the same order we know the numbers in... First phase (wk2/3-wk5) more N (grow nutes), Second phase (wk5/6-wk 7/8) more P (bloom nutes), Third phase (wk7/8-wk9/10) more K (molasses).... water till finish. 1st-N.. 2nd-P... 3rd-K This is a rough, undetailed estimate and will vary some from strain to strain, pheno to pheno, but the order stays consistent.

wg2 is right about the pH color chart. It only works if the water is not discolored... And, that would explain a lockout issue. Since you don't have a working pH meter, I suggest giving straight buffered, water for a week or so and see what gives. It will do no good to put the nutes in until you can buffer the mix before feeding the plant. It will just make things worse.

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As of today my plants are on day 40 but lets call it day 41 since the days about over. the only type of nutes they have gotten is veg nutes at day 33.. so they are pretty much exactly 6 weeks old im thinking i may just give them some bloom but not sure if i should flush or is that not necesaary? :cough:

 

[Scott817]

The one thing that looks weird to me is the general condition of the plant. Because of the droopy leaves it looks like classic over watering but your soil is dry so that is kinda odd to me. The plant to the right doesn't have the same look to it. Does the pot feel heavy compared to the other?

 

[fweedom]

yea man i go way easy on the water and even after i did water they leaves were sticking up for a few days and looking great then this started

theyre on lights off right now so i dont know if the weight is the same ill check when they come on at 12, but ur right the one on the right seems way better even though they have been givin the same amount of everything

 

[X]

Because of the droopy leaves it looks like classic over watering but your soil is dry so that is kinda odd to me.

Leaves will also droop when you forget to water or do not water enough.

even after i did water they leaves were sticking up for a few days and looking great then this started

This really sounds like you aren't watering quite often enough. Think about it... you water and they look great for a few days, then they don't (if I understood you correctly). Water them good with buffered water. (I would let that watercolor go a bit more to the green side on your pH test.) Just looking at those plants, I would think they would need a good watering about every three days in that size pots. Until you get a pH pen, don't feed... seriously. If you're using OF, it will get you through till finish.

Don't worry about getting it perfect this time, or trying to get the plant to "catch up"... it really doesn't work like that with auto's... it is far more likely the grow will be troublesome if you start adding ferts that are not properly buffered, than it would be if you just let the mix and good water carry them through. If you get a pH pen, start adding bloom nutes, every other watering, at 1/4 strength. You're going to end up smoking some pretty good herb, regardless.

 

[fweedom]

Leaves will also droop when you forget to water or do not water enough.

This really sounds like you aren't watering quite often enough. Think about it... you water and they look great for a few days, then they don't (if I understood you correctly). Water them good with buffered water. (I would let that watercolor go a bit more to the green side on your pH test.) Just looking at those plants, I would think they would need a good watering about every three days in that size pots. Until you get a pH pen, don't feed... seriously. If you're using OF, it will get you through till finish.

Don't worry about getting it perfect this time, or trying to get the plant to "catch up"... it really doesn't work like that with auto's... it is far more likely the grow will be troublesome if you start adding ferts that are not properly buffered, than it would be if you just let the mix and good water carry them through. If you get a pH pen, start adding bloom nutes, every other watering, at 1/4 strength. You're going to end up smoking some pretty good herb, regardless.

Thanks man before my last watering they went about 12 days without water and looked great I just watered cause I thought it had been long enough. Now its only been a week so I didn't think they could be that thirsty already but that may be the case

And when u say buffered water do u just mean regular ph balanced water?

 

[fweedom]

Water them good with buffered water

Until you get a pH pen, don't feed... seriously. If you're using OF, it will get you through till finish.

it is far more likely the grow will be troublesome if you start adding ferts that are not properly buffered, than it would be if you just let the mix and good water carry them through. If you get a pH pen, start adding bloom nutes, every other watering, at 1/4 strength. You're going to end up smoking some pretty good herb, regardless.

so u think they need nutes but only if i can know i can get it back to 6.5?

i have this and both the 7.01 and 4.01 solutions but the first time i used it i was having a hard time so just broke out my liquid test..

i have everything its just a matter of whats best

 

[riz la green]

well ive only given one feeding and that was a week ago of veg nutes thats it. other than that just ph'd water.

Which bottle did you use? The one on the right or left?

Just in case he is using the bloom nutes instead of veg nutes....

Are bloom nutes supposed to have more N than veg nutes?

No. Veg needs more N.

 

[fweedom]

Which bottle did you use? The one on the right or left?

Just in case he is using the bloom nutes instead of veg nutes....

na man i used the one on the left thats my veg nutes..

 

[wg]

Haha, isn't that Hanna's "Beer PH Meter" for brewers? Did you calibrate it as soon as you got it? That's their cheapest meter and requires as much love as the yellow milwaukee meters do. Needs constant (weekly) calibration & correct storage. I donno man, if you're watering with just plain water and that issue is coming up now, AFTER you watered with nutes.. it just doesn't make sense to not be a pH issue, ya know?

Calibrate the Hanna and I'd water with 6.3 water (yeah yeah, this will always be a debate, but 6.3 just seems most optimal to me).. it is a possibility the plant is root-bound but it just doesn't seem likely for an auto to become root bound in such a large pot. Do you crush the sides of the pot before you water so the roots are watered evenly?