Live Stoner Chat Does bud development depend on light hitting fan leaves?

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GreenSkell got u covered man. His the man on autos.

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There is lots of guys with way nicer setups that grow way bigger autos than I do, but i have a pretty good handle on them by growing so many different varieties.

Speaking of which....here is a portal Citrus Noir...this plant was root restricted stunted in a 16oz cup for 14 days to keep size down, then instatransplanted and topped at 4 nodes resulting in 8 main branches. Each main branch was supercropped at least twice, and many shading inner canopy leaves defoliated to increase bud depth. Result was 74 grams out of 1.5 gallons of medium under a half a 100X3w epistar LED

 

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Learn to grow a healthy plant, and anything you do after you master that is all fun under the purple sun!!

 

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There is lots of guys with way nicer setups that grow way bigger autos than I do, but i have a pretty good handle on them by growing so many different varieties.

Speaking of which....here is a portal Citrus Noir...this plant was root restricted stunted in a 16oz cup for 14 days to keep size down, then instatransplanted and topped at 4 nodes resulting in 8 main branches. Each main branch was supercropped at least twice, and many shading inner canopy leaves defoliated to increase bud depth. Result was 74 grams out of 1.5 gallons of medium under a half a 100X3w epistar LED
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Massive....massive help with this info! But no worries, i won't go crazy with it. Would you say that if you started the Citrus Noir all right and grew her to her potential, she would yield way more? Or yield more airy buds but more or less the same? I guess she got to veg more so will yield more. A little stoned. I'm just wondering if there is a point of diminishing returns with all this training?

So to answer the OPs question, it would be alright to remove fan leaves that is part of the flower, as long as the plant is healthy and the situation warrants it?

Would you be so kind as to direct me to one of your best journal with regards to defoliation? Pretty pls? I know im supposed to find it myself but me so lazy..... [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]


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Massive....massive help with this info! But no worries, i won't go crazy with it. Would you say that if you started the Citrus Noir all right and grew her to her potential, she would yield way more? Or yield more airy buds but more or less the same? I guess she got to veg more so will yield more. A little stoned. I'm just wondering if there is a point of diminishing returns with all this training?

So to answer the OPs question, it would be alright to remove fan leaves that is part of the flower, as long as the plant is healthy and the situation warrants it?

Would you be so kind as to direct me to one of your best journal with regards to defoliation? Pretty pls? I know im supposed to find it myself but me so lazy..... [emoji1][emoji1][emoji1]


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https://www.autoflower.org/threads/season-3-uks-portal-takes-on-spain-mephisto-and-sweet.61894/


Short and sweet...there is a few rules i use when defoliating
-only defol it she won't tuck or work with her fan leaf fingers cut off. The reason i avoid it a bit is if you miss a leaf stalk the withering stalk can be prone to mold.
- only defoliate leaves that are covering bud site and never defol fan leaves on the exterior of the plant
- try to spread out defoliating to reduce stress, and take a few leaves a day
- keep defol limited on plants quoted to be small by breeders, a few key leaves is okay, but go into defol with a plan and takes leaves that will have a positive impact. If you take leaves that arent shading lower bud sites, then you are making an error.

Many strains will benefit from higher stress techniques like supercropping and defoliating, but it must be done in a proper way for better canopy management. There is 2 reasons to supercrop plants...one is for canopy/height management, and one is for increased nutrient flow to surrounding areas. Not all strains/plants will respond super well to the higher techniques though, but from what i have seen many will!!


So the citrus noir....i grew one before that i root restricted(20 day restriction) and grew untrained. Though she was in more of a crowded area she pulled 50g's dry. I initially thought the topped plant was going to take far longer than the first i grew, but in the end she finished within days of the first one i grew. This doesnt really prove anything though with the genetic variance plant to plant, but i definitely didnt see any diminished harvest on the topped ,cropped one i grew.

 

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** In many ways I prefer finger cutting more than defoliating

 

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Also i feel that cleaning out underdeveloped buds(aka Skruff or Skrag) below the canopy is a huge benefit. Get those roots to pour the energy into areas of the plant that will produce the best and densest buds, instead of wasting energy try to create buds out of inner canopy shaded.
There is a point where defol should be stopped and Skrag cleaned out instead while leaving fans. Not all lower buds will form well all the time even with increased light. Sometimes i feel like its a ratio of root expansion to flower that is an impact on flower depth density.(pure theory, not proven one bit)

 

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- only defoliate leaves that are covering bud site and never defol fan leaves on the exterior of the plant

So the citrus noir....i grew one before that i root restricted(20 day restriction) and grew untrained. Though she was in more of a crowded area she pulled 50g's dry. I initially thought the topped plant was going to take far longer than the first i grew, but in the end she finished within days of the first one i grew. This doesnt really prove anything though with the genetic variance plant to plant, but i definitely didnt see any diminished harvest on the topped ,cropped one i grew.

Thank you, dear Sir!

I place my plants by each other so sometimes the exterior leaves will cover the budsite of another plant. I remove them too. What would you do?

My concerns on diminishing returns is such. Is there a max amount of bud sites the plant can support? Before it starts diminishing yields? We are exposing more budsites but at the same time taking away their light panels when they need it more? Of course, we only want the buds so this is cool. Hence, my concern with diminishing returns.

My situation now has plants in early week 5 growing very well in excess of 20-30 bud sites on larger plants. Maybe more. The more i supercrop/train/defo, the more bud site appears. I do have limited horizontal space and hate to raise my lights unnecessarily but lets just forget that for a moment. If i continue to expose more budsites and remove leaves at the same time, will i be creating more need for food but taking away their tools for making food at the same time? Resulting in poorer quality yield?



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Fan defoliated Auto night queen, the pot is 7" across, fans defoliated at multiple times throughout flower

Nice fat cola. It looks like the cola might want to knock the door off it's hinges.

 

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https://www.autoflower.org/threads/season-3-uks-portal-takes-on-spain-mephisto-and-sweet.61894/


Short and sweet...there is a few rules i use when defoliating
-only defol it she won't tuck or work with her fan leaf fingers cut off. The reason i avoid it a bit is if you miss a leaf stalk the withering stalk can be prone to mold.
- only defoliate leaves that are covering bud site and never defol fan leaves on the exterior of the plant
- try to spread out defoliating to reduce stress, and take a few leaves a day
- keep defol limited on plants quoted to be small by breeders, a few key leaves is okay, but go into defol with a plan and takes leaves that will have a positive impact. If you take leaves that arent shading lower bud sites, then you are making an error.

Many strains will benefit from higher stress techniques like supercropping and defoliating, but it must be done in a proper way for better canopy management. There is 2 reasons to supercrop plants...one is for canopy/height management, and one is for increased nutrient flow to surrounding areas. Not all strains/plants will respond super well to the higher techniques though, but from what i have seen many will!!


So the citrus noir....i grew one before that i root restricted(20 day restriction) and grew untrained. Though she was in more of a crowded area she pulled 50g's dry. I initially thought the topped plant was going to take far longer than the first i grew, but in the end she finished within days of the first one i grew. This doesnt really prove anything though with the genetic variance plant to plant, but i definitely didnt see any diminished harvest on the topped ,cropped one i grew.

so would you do anything with this? Its a top and side view of the main kola from a DP Think Different. The leaves on the kola are blocking light to the lower buds on the main kola. Would you remove those leaves or leave them on?

 

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so would you do anything with this? Its a top and side view of the main kola from a DP Think Different. The leaves on the kola are blocking light to the lower buds on the main kola. Would you remove those leaves or leave them on?

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You can trim of the fingers which are blocking light to a bud

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