Indoor DWC LED SCROG log

[vick]

Yeah, now I definitely know better lol. Should be good once the seeds get here. :cough::joint: put those two emoticons together and you've got what it looks like for me waiting for them to get here. :crack:

The purple lights are f1s. What difference would I get with f2s?

 

[The Dawg]

Whats Up Brother Vick Your Running The Same System As I Am Execpt Mines A 6gl Res.I have An Adjustable Distributor Head If You Like I Can Pm You A Link Where I Bought Mine.I Also See You Found A Friend Of Mines Old Thread.Its A Great Thread Very Simplistic And Easy To Follow Too.I Also suggest That You Buy A Sock To Go Over Your Pump.It Keeps Dead Root Debris From Interfering With the Eternals Of The Pump.Are You Going To Continue This Thread With Your New Seeds Or Start A New?Just In Case im Subbed

 

[vick]

Nice small system, how many girls do you plan on getting up in there?

I decided to nix out the drip line and use my water pump for recirculation to keep the nute soup mixed well. I also do have it inside a filter bag so it doesn't suck anything up. Learned that the hard way from my last dwc log. I could take out the pump entirely but it's not really raising my res temps. The drip line was overkill imho. I looked around at a bunch of logs and saw GREAT yields with dwc and no drip line. It's all about the amount of oxygen/air in the res. The more bubbles the better..

I plan on continuing this thread as an ongoing dwc thread. If anyone wants me to start a new cleaned up thread, let me know. I just feel like the results from the beginning of this thread should help new growers to avoid going in that direction and to conveniently see what happens when you fix things up without having to bounce around on threads.

Good to have you along, the more the merrier!

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TESTING PROCEDURE WITH SELF BRED AUTO SEEDS
As for the test with my purple lights seeds, I soaked them in distilled water ph'd to 5.5 in a shot glass with a few drops of 3% h2o2 mixed in well. The next day, the seeds sunk and I planted them in rapid rooter cubes soaked in distilled water ph'd to 5.5 + a few drops of h2o2 as well (4 drops is a few). After reading about another grower using h2o2 in this method, he noticed faster growing, hardy seedlings since the h2o2 lightly provides oxygen in the soak which will slightly benefit without harm, so I decided to take the plunge and experiment on these 'practice seeds'.

After planting in the rapid rooters, I placed them in a big ziploc bag misted with the same soak water and set it above my cable modem which sits in a dark area. (80f degrees)

Today is the 3rd day after seed and the germination in the rapid rooters took off, well... rapidly. The sprouts are already poking out of the rapid rooters and searching for light! So I just placed them in my grow tent with the blue led spectrum on. They are still in the ziploc bag with the rapid rooters until the roots poke out. Then I will pop them in the net pots.

My res has been bleached, cleaned, rinsed and filled with 15gal of tap water sitting JUST under the net pots filled halfway with cleaned and rinsed hydroton (to make room for the rapid rooters). Added 1ml of 29% h2o2 per gal and let the water aerate overnight. Today, as the water reaches a little under 'room temperature', I ph'd it to 5.5 and got a ppm reading of 90! That's the lowest I've ever gotten my tap! Usually I will get about 130-150. I think the h2o2 may have cleaned it up a bit as it does dechlorinate water from my understanding. It does not harm 'non organic minerals' so I will be fine with my floraduo nute line. If you are interested in using hydrogen peroxide with your dwc, PLEASE, do not use with organic nutrients and discontinue use when your plants are blooming.

As a few hours go by, I've noticed the hydroton is wicking the water properly and that the bubbles popping at the top are helping. There is not a single rock of hydroton that is dry at this point, which is a good sign and there is no salt/rock residue since the hydroton has been properly rinsed and cleaned.

Sorry for all the details in this long post, but since I've needed those details before, I'm sure others are looking for it too. Hope it helps. I will update more with this testing on a daily basis. Pictures tomorrow to show off the little sprouts.

Summary for day 3:
Humidity - 70%
Tent Temp - 70f
RES temp - 60f
RES ppm - 90 ppm
RES ph - 5.5
Additives - 1ml 29% h2o2 per gallon of tap water

 

[DWCocha]

Don't be sorry Vick,details are good!.I got a much better picture of woss on now.All sounds great & cool your practice beans have popped.Hope that res stays healthy this time for ya...btw, how big is your air pump bro?.Must be a monster to bubble 15gal good !!!.With those temps a good pump & no light leaks it should be good to go.

Are you going to put those PL babys in there to check the system before any TD & SAS ?...I found light got in through the outer edge of the net pot unless covered with something, but made sure not to cover the inner area to much or air from the res may damage a seedling (try checking temps directly above hydrtron)

 

[vick]

Here's the air pump I'm using. It's a Hydrofarm AAPA25L. She's a beeeeast!

That's exactly what I'm gonna do with the babies. Basically just gonna do a 1/4 strength feed after a week from seed and see how they react. I'm gonna try to get a thick sheet of mylar for the top of the res and spread some black silicone on the net pot holes for the light leaks. Having the h2o2 this time around should help keep the baddies at bay, but I'll still try to seal as much light out as I can. Gonna try to cover the top of the hydroton with something too.

The temp reading above the hydroton was 72 with the lights on. That's with the window of my grow room closed. For the next month or two, I can easily bring ambient temps in the tent down to 65f.. give or take.

Thanks for chiming in bro, it's good to have someone around who is familiar with dwc :smokebuds:

 

[The Dawg]

Very Nice Post Brother Vick Paying Attention Details Is How We Learn From Our Mistakes.Yea I Take A Very Simple Approach To Growing And I Like Small Grows With Big Yeilds.To Be Honest Im A WaterFarm Junkie This Is My First BubblePonics Grow.When I First Saw This Unit I Thought It Would Make A Great Small Auto Unit.So My First Run I Have 5 Delicious Seeds La Diva's In A 10gal Tote Running 6gls Of Nute Soulition With A 36X30 Attached Screen Under An 250Watt Area-51 Led.

 

[vick]

Awesome scrog setup brother dawg. Definitely interested in seeing how all 5 of those autos will perform in that 6gal. I'd imagine you would probably be topping off at least twice a day.. lol.. 5 autos in my current setup in my last log drank about a gallon a day when they were in bloom and the roots took over the ENTIRE res. I'll keep watching your log. GL homie

 

[vick]

Day 4, Test seedlings

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Day 4 from seed with the test seedlings in ph'd water and 1ml 29% h202/gal in the res.

LEDS are on blue spectrum about 18" above the sprouts

Idk how to embed video that I uploaded on here, but here's a link to a mini tour of how everything looks: Day 4 DWC video

 

[The Dawg]

Thanks My Brother.Sinced Ive Switched To Leds My Ladies Drink About 1/3 Of The Amount When They Were Under My 400 Cmh.At Day 59 My Ladies Are Drinking 1/2 Gallon Of Solution A Day:smokebuds:

 

[gradolabs]

Nice small system, how many girls do you plan on getting up in there?

I decided to nix out the drip line and use my water pump for recirculation to keep the nute soup mixed well. I also do have it inside a filter bag so it doesn't suck anything up. Learned that the hard way from my last dwc log. I could take out the pump entirely but it's not really raising my res temps. The drip line was overkill imho. I looked around at a bunch of logs and saw GREAT yields with dwc and no drip line. It's all about the amount of oxygen/air in the res. The more bubbles the better..

I plan on continuing this thread as an ongoing dwc thread. If anyone wants me to start a new cleaned up thread, let me know. I just feel like the results from the beginning of this thread should help new growers to avoid going in that direction and to conveniently see what happens when you fix things up without having to bounce around on threads.

Good to have you along, the more the merrier!

__
TESTING PROCEDURE WITH SELF BRED AUTO SEEDS
As for the test with my purple lights seeds, I soaked them in distilled water ph'd to 5.5 in a shot glass with a few drops of 3% h2o2 mixed in well. The next day, the seeds sunk and I planted them in rapid rooter cubes soaked in distilled water ph'd to 5.5 + a few drops of h2o2 as well (4 drops is a few). After reading about another grower using h2o2 in this method, he noticed faster growing, hardy seedlings since the h2o2 lightly provides oxygen in the soak which will slightly benefit without harm, so I decided to take the plunge and experiment on these 'practice seeds'.

After planting in the rapid rooters, I placed them in a big ziploc bag misted with the same soak water and set it above my cable modem which sits in a dark area. (80f degrees)

Today is the 3rd day after seed and the germination in the rapid rooters took off, well... rapidly. The sprouts are already poking out of the rapid rooters and searching for light! So I just placed them in my grow tent with the blue led spectrum on. They are still in the ziploc bag with the rapid rooters until the roots poke out. Then I will pop them in the net pots.

My res has been bleached, cleaned, rinsed and filled with 15gal of tap water sitting JUST under the net pots filled halfway with cleaned and rinsed hydroton (to make room for the rapid rooters). Added 1ml of 29% h2o2 per gal and let the water aerate overnight. Today, as the water reaches a little under 'room temperature', I ph'd it to 5.5 and got a ppm reading of 90! That's the lowest I've ever gotten my tap! Usually I will get about 130-150. I think the h2o2 may have cleaned it up a bit as it does dechlorinate water from my understanding. It does not harm 'non organic minerals' so I will be fine with my floraduo nute line. If you are interested in using hydrogen peroxide with your dwc, PLEASE, do not use with organic nutrients and discontinue use when your plants are blooming.

As a few hours go by, I've noticed the hydroton is wicking the water properly and that the bubbles popping at the top are helping. There is not a single rock of hydroton that is dry at this point, which is a good sign and there is no salt/rock residue since the hydroton has been properly rinsed and cleaned.

Sorry for all the details in this long post, but since I've needed those details before, I'm sure others are looking for it too. Hope it helps. I will update more with this testing on a daily basis. Pictures tomorrow to show off the little sprouts.

Summary for day 3:
Humidity - 70%
Tent Temp - 70f
RES temp - 60f
RES ppm - 90 ppm
RES ph - 5.5
Additives - 1ml 29% h2o2 per gallon of tap water

tldr.