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Been searching for far red cfl's. No luck--anyone! Needs to be at 730 nm to induce flowering hormone.

Rosenthal mention in his books.

Have not even found an off the rack or even a cheap Chinese far red LED.
 
I may be wrong but I am about 99% sure that the flowering hormone in cannabis(florigen) is photoperiodreactive not spectrum reactive. Meaning that the flowering hormone is rendered inactive by light(that is why photperiod plants start to flower after having a certain amount of darkness) I am no one to question Mr.Rosenthal(or you) but I just know a little about cannabis biology. The term florigen means "short day plant" but is a little misleading because the days are not getting shorter in this sense the nights are getting longer.

Just my two cents though not saying you are wrong by any means, sending great grow and LED Karma your way
 
It is an interesting process of hormones--pr to pfr back and forth. There is a lag after lights go out as hormones adjust. Any disruption in darkness below 730 nm stops flowering hormone and has to be reset--either dark again or far red light.

Appears one can either lower actual time in dark or leave at 12/12 to pick up the equivalent of two additional hours.

This is from memory. I may have the thing all twisted.

Just though might try a few cfl's for kicks and have on hand if light creeps in by accident.

Here is a link which looks very scientific. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytochrome

Cheers
 
It is an interesting process of hormones--pr to pfr back and forth. There is a lag after lights go out as hormones adjust. Any disruption in darkness below 730 nm stops flowering hormone and has to be reset--either dark again or far red light.

Appears one can either lower actual time in dark or leave at 12/12 to pick up the equivalent of two additional hours.

This is from memory. I may have the thing all twisted.

Just though might try a few cfl's for kicks and have on hand if light creeps in by accident.

Here is a link which looks very scientific. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phytochrome

Cheers
I think you may have misunderstood what you read hear is a clearer article http://plantphys.info/plant_physiology/phytochrome.shtml 660nm light turns on flowering and wakes the plant up. 730 puts it to sleep and stops flowering.I am adding 660nm leds to my fluorescent lights to help stimulate flowering and one induction light maker sells 660nm led "pontoons" for their lights to help flowering, you can find IR leds on ebay but they are only useful for 10-20 minutes after lights out to help put the plant to sleep faster. during light on they would only lower the PR/PFR and inhibit flowering.
 
Thanks for the input.

Please link your information.

I will contact Rosenthal to double check all his grow books and contact wiki.
From Rosentahal's grow book.

Quote:

Pr is sensitive to far red light with a peak at 730 nm and is effected in range of 700-750 nm.
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Flowering inactive = Pr and activated by Pfr.
In its presence (730 nm far red) it changes almost immediately to the active form--Pfr. This effect is useful for shorting the two hour time it takes plants to switch from the inactive to active form.

Guys--give me a link. tell me where I am missing the boat.

Cheers
 
Thanks for the input.

Please link your information.

I will contact Rosenthal to double check all his grow books and contact wiki.
From Rosentahal's grow book.

Quote:

Pr is sensitive to far red light with a peak at 730 nm and is effected in range of 700-750 nm.
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Flowering inactive = Pr and activated by Pfr.
In its presence (730 nm far red) it changes almost immediately to the active form--Pfr. This effect is useful for shorting the two hour time it takes plants to switch from the inactive to active form.

Guys--give me a link. tell me where I am missing the boat.

Cheers
IR triggers the release of the flowering hormone but is always present. red during the lights off period will stop flowering but during lights on PRF drives growth. far red is always present. it is just heat and if exposed to it long enough (long nite) the hormone released will switch the plant from vegatative growth to flowering but the growth itself is driven by PRF.it is important to insure an uninterrupted long dark period to put the plant in flowering which is the role this hormone plays but during "daylight" a high pr level is needed to drive growth
 
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maurice00

Thanks for all your time and energy.

I still have to accept Rosenthals work as the definitive pr and pfr process via far red light.

Can you at minimum give us a link.

Remember--this thread seeks any info on obtaining a far red lamp.

After you provide a link to prove up your proposition and contest Rosenthal's--this thread is no comment unless on point--where to find if at all far red lights.

Mauricem00 sounds as if you have a degree in horticulture and or an organic science.

Please start a thread about far red light so that we all may share in your extensive knowledge.

Thanks a great deal

Cheers

http://mjgrowers.com/book_what_exper2.htm

http://hallidaylab.bio.ed.ac.uk/documents/phytochromepresentationkjhVal.pdf

http://www.weedwatch.com/forums/grow-light-source/2643-flower-initiator.html


http://edrosenthal.com/2011/03/ask-ed-marijuana-grow-tip-26-light-deprivation-how-to-ditch-the-tarp.html


 
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maurice00

Thanks for all your time and energy.

I still have to accept Rosenthals work as the definitive pr and pfr process via far red light.

Can you at minimum give us a link.

Remember--this is a thread seeks any info on obtaining a far red lamp.

After you provide a link to prove up your proposition and contest Rosenthal's--this thread is no comment unless on point--where to find if at all far red lights.

Mauricem00 sounds as if you have a degree in horticulture and or an organic science.

Please start a thread about far red light so that we all may share in your extensive knowledge.

Thanks a great deal

Cheers

Cheers
http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Photoperiodism.html http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/P/Photoperiodism.html I think the confusion comes from the fact that you are addressing night time light exposure. actually my training is in the area of electrical engineering. like you and many other growers I read the publish studies in an effort to understand and find better ways of growing.plants are very active at night (krebs cycle) and the long night simply increases the amount of flowering hormone produces but photochrome is the pigment that shifts a plant from day to night shifts. each shift has a role to play and both are vital. but it is the length of the night that determines how much flowering hormone is produced.if the air temperature is high enough for the plant to survive then it is getting enough IR.but then all photo growers know that you need a long night to flower photos. and interrupting that night will inhibit flowering so a highly technical discussion would add little. all these studies deal with interrupting the dark period with red light and except for artifically extending that period with a brief period of IR (10-20 min) immediately after lights out nothing would be gained by adding it during the dark period. but growers already know this.theory is a good starting point but no substitute for hands-on experience. you started this thread looking for 730 NM CFLs and you are not going to find them 660nm and IR leds are the easiest way to generate these wavelengths if you want to play with them. but led growers already know that large amounts of 660nm are benifitial during flowering. IR is only added in small amounts for the Emerson effect. in reading the links you gave I find that Mr rosenthal is saying the same thing that I am
 
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all photo growers know that you need a long night to flower photos
I find this to be untrue a lot of indy dom's will go into flower with as much as 14 hours of light i.e 10 dark ? and a lot of sativas won't even bat an eye till your rite in 12/12.......
 
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when I woke up this morning I thought of another option. if you are looking for a screw in IR bulb you could use a IR reptile bulb http://www.ebay.com/itm/Exo-Terra-B...t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&var=&hash=item462218ff34 or a heat lamp from home depot (make sure you get the red lens ones) or simply wrap an incandesent bulb I aluminum foil to block the visible light.90% of the energy produced by incandescent bulbs is IR
 
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