Just a little word about manners, what is the point in posting rude,dismissive or contemptuos posts ,we surely joined this forum for amicable interaction with like minded people and to learn , which none of us are to old or to clever to do ,we all have differing points of view and experiences possibly invaluable to someone and also if one intends to be belligerent and provocative I believe one should take a deep breath construct ones posting with consideration for the unseen (therefore an all to easy target) recipient and if debate ensues at least debate from a position of strength , Still loving this forum and still learning . complements of this festive season to all ! Totaly