Indoor Growing Scrog

is there a proper way to check the roots at this time of grow?

No not really you can smell them they should smell earthy if the smell rotten/sour that could be an indicator but at this point in the grow there’s not much you can do. Flush with mild nutrients and some hydroguard then ride it out see what happens and adjust for next time :shrug::pass:
 
Any suggestions for best vendors (prices) for purchase of Grodan rockwool blocks (including delivery in US)? Amazon looks expensive, such as a single Big Mama (8x8x8) cube costs $20.36, with pack of 18 for $146.82 + $26.40 delivery ($9.62/cube).

There are generic knockoffs (Roxul, Comfortbatt, etc.) claiming to be "rockwool." Are these best avoided or usable?
 
Any suggestions for best vendors (prices) for purchase of Grodan rockwool blocks (including delivery in US)? Amazon looks expensive, such as a single Big Mama (8x8x8) cube costs $20.36, with pack of 18 for $146.82 + $26.40 delivery ($9.62/cube).

There are generic knockoffs (Roxul, Comfortbatt, etc.) claiming to be "rockwool." Are these best avoided or usable?

My plan, next grow, is to use only Grodan 4" x 4"s, stacked three tall. 420 has a recent grow similar, either here or on Instagram, although he has part of a 6" x 6" at the base, from what I can tell, but not sure. I'm going to just let the roots grow into the well. I have DWC ( all water ) grows where the roots aren't much taller than 12" at harvest, or wider than three 4" cubes tall. Gotta be pretty close to AOK.
 
( I just bought a 4' x 2' x 5' tall tent that unzips on front, one side, and back. Amazon: CoolGrows Grow Tent, 4x2 Feet Mylar Hydroponic Grow Tent, $66. I put the tent in the middle of the room, but am in the process of building a base for it, on casters. The rolling base will raise the tent about 8" from the floor, too. )
Congrats on your new tent @Mongoose!
I think all the 4x2’ tents unzip on 3 sides which makes it a good tent to SCROG in too.
I’ll post my 4x2’ grows shortly.

This is my soil data from d soil meter

last feed 15min drip feed was like 45min ago from this data.

It does not show extra N P or K so can it be that there is extra salts from leftovers still and the meter does not show it and that cloggs up the nutritiens uptake?

Either way im flushing today but just trying to understand the process that I can learn from this and do it right the next time?

My flowering started at the end of November.

Not much size growht has happened in the last 1.5 weeks.

My ec is rising in the reservoir from 1.7 to 3-4 when 70% of water is used.

in the start of flower my ec had been more than 2 for a few weeks where the extra nutritiens might have been put in the soil.

some of the buds are ok sized but none wrist sized and some are smaller but nothing like 420method should produce maximally. Those all big fat buds....
I think your colas/buds look just fine my friend. :thumbsup:
It’s best to check your reservoir frequently to make sure all your numbers are dialed in.
My water level never drops down to 30% because I’m always topping off with more nutrient feed or strait R/O to keep it where it’s suppose to be.

So I asked AI your original question to see if I was explaining it right and if it could explain it better this is what AI said


It sounds like you're facing a combination of issues, but let's break them down step by step to get a clearer picture of what's happening.

EC Build-Up and Salts​

The EC (electrical conductivity) meter measures the total concentration of salts (nutrients) in your solution. When you're seeing your EC rise from 1.7 to 3.5–4 as your reservoir gets used up, it suggests that the plants are taking up water but not the nutrients in proportion, which causes the salt concentration to increase. This is quite common, especially in systems like hydroponics or coco with drip feed, as the plants take up more water than they do nutrients.

As for the EC meter reading mainly "salts," it's important to remember that it doesn’t differentiate between good and bad salts. High EC doesn't necessarily mean it's only salts the plants need; it can also reflect an excess of certain nutrients that may cause issues.

Nutrient Lockout​

While high EC can indeed contribute to nutrient lockout, it doesn't always happen in the way you might think. Nutrient lockout occurs when certain elements (like calcium, magnesium, or potassium) are present in excess or are out of balance, preventing plants from absorbing other essential nutrients. However, a straight-up EC of 3.5–4 isn't necessarily a direct cause of lockout, but it's definitely high, and could indicate that your nutrient mix is out of balance or that the plants are overwhelmed by salts.

Problems with Bud Size and Growth​

If the buds have stopped growing since week 5, it's possible that nutrient uptake has been impaired. Too much salt in the root zone can hinder the plant's ability to take in necessary elements like phosphorus, potassium, or calcium, all of which are vital for flower development. Here's a breakdown of potential issues:

  1. High EC (Salt Build-Up): When the EC is high in your reservoir, it means that salts are accumulating. High salt concentrations can cause osmotic pressure changes that make it harder for roots to take up water and nutrients, even if they're present. This can stunt growth, particularly in later flowering stages when the plant requires more phosphorus and potassium to develop buds.
  2. Nutrient Imbalance: Since your soil meter shows high levels of phosphorus (P) and potassium (K), it might indicate that the plants are getting more of these elements than they can absorb. A build-up of excess nutrients can cause toxicity or lockout of other critical nutrients like nitrogen or calcium, leading to poor growth.
  3. pH Imbalance: If you're not adjusting your pH regularly, it could be affecting nutrient uptake as well. In coco, the pH should typically range between 5.8 to 6.2, as this is the optimal range for nutrient absorption. A pH outside of this range could make certain nutrients less available to the plant, further contributing to nutrient deficiencies.

Potential Causes and Solutions:​

  1. Flush the System: A good practice when EC gets too high is to flush the system with plain water (pH-balanced) to reset the environment. This will help reduce excess salts in the substrate and lower EC. After flushing, you can feed with a lower EC solution to gradually bring the plants back to an optimal range.
  2. Adjust Nutrient Ratios: Ensure that your nutrient mix is balanced for the flowering stage. High phosphorus and potassium can be good, but if you're in the 6th week of flower, the plants still need enough nitrogen, calcium, and magnesium. Too much K and P can inhibit calcium uptake, which may lead to deficiencies.
  3. Monitor pH and EC Regularly: Continue checking both EC and pH regularly. For coco, your EC should generally stay between 1.2 and 2.2 during the early and mid-flowering stages. At the end of flowering, you can push the EC higher, but excessive EC can stress the plants.
  4. Watering Strategy: If you're seeing a high EC build-up, consider watering the plants more frequently but with a smaller volume of nutrient solution each time. This can help prevent salt build-up in the substrate. You might also want to top up the reservoir with just water, to help balance the salt concentration.
  5. Check for Root Issues: Over time, high salt concentration can lead to root damage or poor root function. Make sure your roots are healthy—look for any signs of root rot or discoloration. If roots are affected, a root-zone cleaner or a light hydrogen peroxide solution can help.

Understanding the Salt Effect​

Excessive salts in the root zone can indeed create a kind of "nutrient lockout" by altering the osmotic balance and preventing water from being properly absorbed by the roots. However, lockout also tends to occur when there's a mismatch between nutrient ratios, where the plant cannot efficiently use the available nutrients due to competition for uptake.

In your case, the main problem seems to be an accumulation of salts, especially with high EC in the reservoir, which might be inhibiting nutrient uptake. When this happens, the plants stop growing and start showing symptoms of nutrient deficiencies, even though there's a lot of phosphorus and potassium available in the medium.

Final Thoughts​

It looks like your EC might be too high, and this is likely contributing to the reduced bud size and overall slow growth. By flushing the system to lower the salt concentration and adjusting the nutrient mix, you should be able to get your plants back on track.

If you have any more specific details, like the pH levels or if you’ve noticed other symptoms on the plants (e.g., leaf color change, yellowing, or curling), that could help further refine the advice.

Thanks @Lil Dab! :d5:
Very cool!
I’ve never used AI for growing weed before. Lol! :mrgreen:
Hey 420, once your net goes down after super cropping, do you keep tucking them branches under as they grow for a period of time? or just let them grow up naturally pretty much strait away? Thank you! :mrgreen::thumbsup:
Hey Bro!
Hope you’re having a good weekend. 👊
After I flatten out my autos I continue to tuck and weave until the end of stretch.

Any suggestions for best vendors (prices) for purchase of Grodan rockwool blocks (including delivery in US)? Amazon looks expensive, such as a single Big Mama (8x8x8) cube costs $20.36, with pack of 18 for $146.82 + $26.40 delivery ($9.62/cube).

There are generic knockoffs (Roxul, Comfortbatt, etc.) claiming to be "rockwool." Are these best avoided or usable?
Grow Generation would be a good place to buy rockwool but the 8x8” Big Mamas are expensive no matter where you buy them. That’s why I stack my 6x6” Hugo’s and also grow in 2 gallon bags of coco/perlite or Grodan rockwool cubes. Much cheaper that way!

My plan, next grow, is to use only Grodan 4" x 4"s, stacked three tall. 420 has a recent grow similar, either here or on Instagram, although he has part of a 6" x 6" at the base, from what I can tell, but not sure. I'm going to just let the roots grow into the well. I have DWC ( all water ) grows where the roots aren't much taller than 12" at harvest, or wider than three 4" cubes tall. Gotta be pretty close to AOK.
That’s the nice thing about rockwool… you can stack as you wish with no risk of shock. I always have the 1.5” starters, 4x4” cubes, 6x6” Hugo’s, a bag of Grodan Grow Cubes and Cloud Coir coco/ perlite at the house so I’m able to configure whatever and whenever I want. Also makes growing a little more interesting with the different options.
 
That’s the nice thing about rockwool… you can stack as you wish with no risk of shock. I always have the 1.5” starters, 4x4” cubes, 6x6” Hugo’s, a bag of Grodan Grow Cubes and Cloud Coir coco/ perlite at the house so I’m able to configure whatever and whenever I want. Also makes growing a little more interesting with the different options.
Maestro 420, if you had to choose only one of those methods -- considering quality of grow, expense ratio, ease of use -- would it be rockwool starter cubes inserted into 4"x4" rockwool cubes immediately, and then placed on 2 gallon bags of coco?
 
Maestro 420, if you had to choose only one of those methods -- considering quality of grow, expense ratio, ease of use -- would it be rockwool starter cubes inserted into 4"x4" rockwool cubes immediately, and then placed on 2 gallon bags of coco?
Hes shown a couple times how cheap it can all be done and i think 420 Sensei takes it as a challenge to see how little he can spend. Pretty sure the way he does it is the cheapest way! I know about one setup tent, lights, fans, hydroponics, literally everything thats sub 250$, i think its on his insta. And rockwool is absolutely cheaper than soil in my experience.
 
Maestro 420, if you had to choose only one of those methods -- considering quality of grow, expense ratio, ease of use -- would it be rockwool starter cubes inserted into 4"x4" rockwool cubes immediately, and then placed on 2 gallon bags of coco?
Yes! You got it Mongoose. :thumbsup:
A Grodan 4x4” cube on a 2 gallon bag of coco/perlite is probably the cheapest way to go and you have the least risk of drought.

Hes shown a couple times how cheap it can all be done and i think 420 Sensei takes it as a challenge to see how little he can spend. Pretty sure the way he does it is the cheapest way! I know about one setup tent, lights, fans, hydroponics, literally everything thats sub 250$, i think its on his insta. And rockwool is absolutely cheaper than soil in my experience.
Lol… you know me well Brother!
I’m always on a quest to grow nice autos with the cheapest equipment I can find out there. :rolleyes1:
 
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