Issue Identification Please: Random necrosis, burnt tips etc.....

:smoking: hey OTD... looks like pop22 has made some good calls! :greenthumb:
I'm glad you did some research grinding mate, so many don't bother! did you have a look at the sticky's we have here? (https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...panded-to-include-other-issues-as-well.43164/ ),.. there's a text heavy one by JM, in the same place,...using both can help clear the general fog some! Diagnostics are a bitch sometimes, so don't be discouraged by tougher calls,.. I'm still learning too!
...sooo, looks like a couple things here,...mild burnt tips are likely nutrient related, pretty generic for other things too when early on, but at 6.2 nothing is locked out; might be a richness thing, especially after the bat poo... how are you testing pH, run-off, or probe? I strongly recommend using a quality soil pH probe,.. Accurate 8 is a good one form the money,... the run-off method is dubious when done wrong, and is an estimate at best,... let me know, so I can take this into account; we have an improved run-off testing protocol here as well, same section in sticky's,... pH drops in soil over time are the norm, from increased inputs from the plant, depleting of lime, nute inputs,.. hard water can help by adding more aqueous CaCO3,... and of course, a Ca-Mg supplement will help on both accounts! Do you use molasses? there's Ca, Mg some K and a little Fe in there, plus the sugar will ramp up the soil herd, which in turn makes the nute cycling wheels spin nicely for the plant to absorb :coffee: --(1 tsp/qt).... :eek1: whoa! No more epsoms, especially at 3Tgal, waaay too much salt input, and risks toxicity, plus messes with Ca uptake,... it's good stuff, don't get me wrong, and it has critically important SO4 sulphur, but again it is a salt,... like baking soda is -(Sodium bicarbonate)..use judiciously!
I'm an outdoor grower too, so I know the various mystery spots, marks, dings and such.. some I can pin down, others no,.. :haha: how cool are the nights? Low 50's starts to impair availability on some,...
Bigger, symmetrical bleached-looking spots could be lensing burn from droplets in the sun, which will brown out after the tissue dies; smaller scattered ones I'm not sure,... smaller rusty colored could be a touch of Ca defc, starting, see how most hug along veins? I'm not so sure thrips are part of these symptoms, not distinct enough (thankfully), though some could pass for it,.. they are everywhere outside! I fight them every year, start to finish,.. Dereks pic is a prime example of their damage.. very mobile buggers too, so you may not spot them at the scene of the crime! Neem would have blasted them-- that were around at the time, but supplies are endless,... just for shits and giggles, score some sticky pads, blue or yellow, and place them around the plant ... and see who comes a-callin'! :greenthumb:
 
:smoking: hey OTD... looks like pop22 has made some good calls! :greenthumb:
I'm glad you did some research grinding mate, so many don't bother! did you have a look at the sticky's we have here? (https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...panded-to-include-other-issues-as-well.43164/ ),.. there's a text heavy one by JM, in the same place,...using both can help clear the general fog some! Diagnostics are a bitch sometimes, so don't be discouraged by tougher calls,.. I'm still learning too!
...sooo, looks like a couple things here,...mild burnt tips are likely nutrient related, pretty generic for other things too when early on, but at 6.2 nothing is locked out; might be a richness thing, especially after the bat poo... how are you testing pH, run-off, or probe? I strongly recommend using a quality soil pH probe,.. Accurate 8 is a good one form the money,... the run-off method is dubious when done wrong, and is an estimate at best,... let me know, so I can take this into account; we have an improved run-off testing protocol here as well, same section in sticky's,... pH drops in soil over time are the norm, from increased inputs from the plant, depleting of lime, nute inputs,.. hard water can help by adding more aqueous CaCO3,... and of course, a Ca-Mg supplement will help on both accounts! Do you use molasses? there's Ca, Mg some K and a little Fe in there, plus the sugar will ramp up the soil herd, which in turn makes the nute cycling wheels spin nicely for the plant to absorb :coffee: --(1 tsp/qt).... :eek1: whoa! No more epsoms, especially at 3Tgal, waaay too much salt input, and risks toxicity, plus messes with Ca uptake,... it's good stuff, don't get me wrong, and it has critically important SO4 sulphur, but again it is a salt,... like baking soda is -(Sodium bicarbonate)..use judiciously!
I'm an outdoor grower too, so I know the various mystery spots, marks, dings and such.. some I can pin down, others no,.. :haha: how cool are the nights? Low 50's starts to impair availability on some,...
Bigger, symmetrical bleached-looking spots could be lensing burn from droplets in the sun, which will brown out after the tissue dies; smaller scattered ones I'm not sure,... smaller rusty colored could be a touch of Ca defc, starting, see how most hug along veins? I'm not so sure thrips are part of these symptoms, not distinct enough (thankfully), though some could pass for it,.. they are everywhere outside! I fight them every year, start to finish,.. Dereks pic is a prime example of their damage.. very mobile buggers too, so you may not spot them at the scene of the crime! Neem would have blasted them-- that were around at the time, but supplies are endless,... just for shits and giggles, score some sticky pads, blue or yellow, and place them around the plant ... and see who comes a-callin'! :greenthumb:


Fuggggin @Waira you are smart, the stickies around the plant. Great idea!
 
@Waira
Digesting.... OK.
Reading ph using an Accurate 8 (cuz it's the most mentioned on most cannabis forums)

Epsom. Well now I'm here to tell ya that I don't remember where I came up with 2 or 3 tbsp per gallon, somewhere in the cannaweb, but I did so I did. Use that much that is.
During the past week I came across numerous reference of using no more than 1 tbsp per gallon as well as 1 tsp/gal.
And I did apply some as side dressing 10 days back.

Too much o' the Epsom will interfere with calcium uptake you say? Oh dear 0-: I may have used too much......

I've been using a basic tea more than water for the bulk of the plants lifespan. Water - Tea - Tea - Water and so on.
2cup EWC, 6.5 tbsp Molasses, 0.75 tbsp Fish Hydro, 3tbsp Kelp Meal for a 5gal batch.
As we be in bloom now I sprayed the plants with a mix of Molasses and Milk 2 days ago.

One way or another it's sounding like I've a calcium issue and...... ick.... BUGS!

pop22 has me giving baking soda to bring the ph up. If the ph is adding to the problem then remove it from the equation right.
As for bugs well crap. Neem mixed in the soil and sprayed on as well.

Just need to keep em' alive for another 2 or 3 weeks so, what course of action would you suggest going forward?
 
:thumbsup: on the A8! To keep it close to the ok zone, you can keep pH'ing your water with the 'soda, though I'm leery of the Na content in it, Na can become toxic at low levels.... there's Potassium Bicarb' too, often used as a mildew treatment,... another product that has a load of benefits is a Si supplement, and it too can up the pH some,...
... epsoms, MgSO4 only,... most common dosage I see is 1tsp/qt for defc. treatment, 1/4 of that for regular supplementing,... no telling for sure if you have Ca blocking from it,.. no place offers quantitative info on this, exactly how much causes it, just that "too much" does,... high enough Mg levels= toxicity is not well defined,...:shrug: If you water generously, you'll have no issues,....
....tea sounds great! :drool: ... now, I'm also leery of any foliar during bloom, residues, mold, and any sugar source will really up the odds, so keep this in minds mate,.. grey bud mold will jump all over such a juicy food/energy source,...
... bugs are unconfirmed, and you neemed besides, so no more foliar residue layers unless absolutely necessary!
 
No more molasses foliar, check. Milk foliar is still OK though right? For mildew precaution.

So fer the bugs just rely on top dressing with DE?
I just now read through a couple different threads here on AFN regarding thrips and the pics in those look just like what I'm seeing. Drat it all.

Silica has come up in my recent reading with respect to ph adjustments. Don't have any silica suppliments nor pottassium bicarb at the moment, so will take baby steps with the Sodium Bicarb.
 
No more molasses foliar, check. Milk foliar is still OK though right? For mildew precaution.

So fer the bugs just rely on top dressing with DE?
I just now read through a couple different threads here on AFN regarding thrips and the pics in those look just like what I'm seeing. Drat it all.

Silica has come up in my recent reading with respect to ph adjustments. Don't have any silica suppliments nor pottassium bicarb at the moment, so will take baby steps with the Sodium Bicarb.

I am pretty sure you have some thrip action goin on there. It may be minimal like @Waira said but I bet if you put a sticky strip down you will catch the little bastards!
 
Well then, I obviously hain't spent enough time gazing at the plants. Today I actually spied 2 thrips and damned if I didn't also discern a mite or two.
With respect to the mites I have as yet to see any webbing but..... Every single indication of thrips is glaringly obvious to me..... now. Ah me, grow and learn.

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@pop22 and @Waira
I went ahead and gave em' all a soap spray.

Watered with baking soda this morning. 12 hours later and all pots are solid on 6.2 ph, no change. How long until you would expect to see a change from the baking soda?

Will see what the morrow brings!
 
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