Live Stoner Chat Killing your Auto at harvest....

[cryptolab]

Hi there Denizens,

In the past, i've basically killed my auto cannabis plants
at the point of harvesting them. But actually, perhaps that's
not necessary. Perhaps i could harvest the flowers, leave the
leaves in tact... and allow the plant to live beyond the harvest.

With other plants, like grape vines, for example. The root stock
determines the productivity of the plant during it's fruiting period.
A small root stock, yields small bunches of grapes and smaller
sized grapes. Conversely, a larger root stock, yields larger bunches
of grapes with larger grapes. The productivity of the plant is related
to the size and development of it's root system.

So maybe killing the plant at harvest time, isn't such a good idea.
Maybe it would be a better idea to leave the plant alone. So it
can develop it's root system and generate greater productivity
the next time around.

Have any of you done that ? If so what happens ?
In particular, does it flower perpetually ?
It's an auto-flowering plant, right ?
Does it go into a vegetative phase ?
If so, why didn't it do that the first time around ?
(It's not photo-sensitive).
How many years would an auto flowering plant live ?

I'd love to hear from those that are experienced and/or
knowledgeable in these questions.

Have a nice day

cryptoLab

 

[bigbadjock]

Im pretty sure auto aint bred to be harvested multiple times but im sure aome eldar grower will chip in but dude what you saying is partly true but its not nessicerily true to cannabis ........ autos flower when they mature to certain age there aint no reverse stage once she flowers you chop end off by that time you should have a feww seedling on ur window ledge getting ready to go into the groom when theres space lmao.......

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[dankstyle J]

Due to the fact its a ruderalis it will flower an then die ,sometimes seeds will be produced if stressed or left to long but this is it's only way of reproduction once she flowers shows over .

 

[cryptolab]

Im pretty sure auto aint bred to be harvested multiple times but im sure aome eldar grower will chip in but dude what you saying is partly true but its not nessicerily true to cannabis ........ autos flower when they mature to certain age there aint no reverse stage once she flowers you chop end off by that time you should have a feww seedling on ur window ledge getting ready to go into the groom when theres space lmao.......

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I wonder how Ruderalis behaves naturally.
Is it an annual plant ?
I gather it survives the harsh russian winters.
Does it do this as a seed ?
Does it go into a winter dormancy like other hardy over-wintering plants ?
Certainly, these are interesting questions.

 

[bigbadjock]

They are interesting questions but im not aure dude i know an auto will flower and die and like the lad says if stressed or what ever may hermie an produce you few seed but its dead soon as it old enought no goong back hahaha

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[cryptolab]

Due to the fact its a ruderalis it will flower an then die ,sometimes seeds will be produced if stressed or left to long but this is it's only way of reproduction once she flowers shows over .

Well done. You anticipated my Ruderalis question.
Are you sure Ruderalis is an annual ?
You're not just assuming that, right ?

However, perhaps the genes for auto flowering, aren't the same as
the genes for dropping dead in the first year.
Cannabis plants are usually not annuals.
If you mix an annual with a non-annual... how long will the plant live ?
I guess the answer depends on which versions of which genes have
been inherited by the hybrid. I presume it must be possible to select
hybrids that are both (a) auto flowering (b) relatively long lived.
Yes, these are definitely interesting questions.

 

[bigbadjock]

I have seen a few auto strains out there with rather high grow times but nothing close to annual it just unheard off...

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[cryptolab]

On the wikipedia page on Autoflowering plants i found these words:

Quote:

SuperAutos
A SuperAuto (sometimes referred to as amazonian autos) starts flowering automatically only after a much longer vegetative period between 28/32 days most of the time. Just like other autoflowers changing the lighting schedule does not affect the flowering cycle of these strains. It is not unusual for SuperAutos to get over five feet tall with some becoming eight feet high.

The average life span of a SuperAuto is 90 to 110 days from seed as opposed to the shorter 55–85 days with most common autoflowers. The added advantage of the longer life span is that slow maturing sativa phenotype have more time to develop and larger yields can be obtaine
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But.... i don't believe it. I think there _must_ be some proportion of hybrids of annual and non-annual parents that are
not annuals. They must be longer lived like their longer lived parent.
So some auto-flowering plants must live for, say, 3, 5 or 10 years etc.
For these individuals it's a very interesting question: How is their flowering regulated.
Perhaps some of them are perpetually flowering.
Wouldn't that be such a convenient behaviour pattern ?

We need practical examples. We need experiments.
We need members here willing to trim the flowers but not the leaves of their Autos.
We need owners willing to allow their autos to survive the harvest.
We might be about to make some wonderful discoveries.

 

[bad dragon bzzz]

an annual comes back every year ? autoflowering cannabis is a diplodocus (sp?) meaning it lives once,when its dead its dead.
i hope i read that somewhere and it wasnt just a dream.

 

[cryptolab]

an annual comes back every year ? autoflowering cannabis is a diplodocus (sp?) meaning it lives once,when its dead its dead.
i hope i read that somewhere and it wasnt just a dream.

Hey there Archie

By annual, i mean, it lives for a year or less.
What really interests me, is the potential for an auto flowering plant
to have more longevity than that. ie. for it to survive multiple summers and multiple winters.
It seems to me that this must be theoretically possible,
since i has one parent that has 'multi-year' longevity.

But i guess that most of us don't know whether autos are multi-annual or not
because we harvest them in their prime. We need to harvest them less severely
and allow them to survive the harvest and then wait and watch to see what happens
in the months and years head. Because:

(a) Perhaps ... some autos are perpetually flowering
(eg: give sufficient light and warmth and nutrients, maybe they just go on and on flowering)

(b) If not perpetually flowering, perhaps these plants, go into a kind of vegetative
dormancy, until the next year, during which time, they build up more and more root
stock and then... voila... a much bigger yield in year [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] then in year#1, and then
perhaps a bigger yield in year [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] than in year [HASHTAG]#2[/HASHTAG] .. and so on.

So it seems to me that those are two great reasons to be gentle during
harvest time and to study your girls carefully during the subsequent weeks,
months and years.

There's also potential here for a Low Stress approach to harvesting. It must be stressful
for the plant to have all it's flowers cut off in one go. Remember it _is_ possible to
do LST on autos. Perhaps by developing a multi-cola canopy, we can then conduct
a harvest over 4 weeks, pruning small quantities of bud every 3 or 4 days. Perhaps
doing a low stress harvest, encourages the plant to generate new bud and simply
keep going with the flowering.

These are interesting perspectives, no ?

Have a nice day, and be happy

cryptolab