Grow Mediums Lucas Formula

[Justinsane]

I'd be interested in seeing how it does, what I like about using the micro and bloom is you can alter the ratio though

I think you are talking about the Flora micro and flora bloom, and i am talking about Flora NOVA bloom. 2 different types of nutes, both from GHE tho.

 

[DrPurple]

I think you are talking about the Flora micro and flora bloom, and i am talking about Flora NOVA bloom. 2 different types of nutes, both from GHE tho.

Yeah that's what I meant

I like the flora micro/bloom for being able to mix the two at different ratios and it's cheaper, the flora nova bloom being one part you're stuck at what NPK values it has, unless you add in other supplements.

But both seem to have the same ratio of N and P when you mix the flora micro/bloom at 1:2 ratio, with the flora series having very slightly higher K, only the nova series is stronger at the same dose (16ml nova bloom 4-8-7 vs 8ml flora micro + 16ml flora bloom 2.5-5-4.5)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I get a little confused with numbers sometimes :smokebuds:

 

[Justinsane]

Yeah that's what I meant

I like the flora micro/bloom for being able to mix the two at different ratios and it's cheaper, the flora nova bloom being one part you're stuck at what NPK values it has, unless you add in other supplements.

But both seem to have the same ratio of N and P when you mix the flora micro/bloom at 1:2 ratio, with the flora series having very slightly higher K, only the nova series is stronger at the same dose (16ml nova bloom 4-8-7 vs 8ml flora micro + 16ml flora bloom 2.5-5-4.5)

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, I get a little confused with numbers sometimes :smokebuds:

Ok, i see your point. But its not cheaper tho, because you are using twice as much of the bloom and the same of micro, so all in all you will bu using 24ml nutes with Flora, and only 8ml of flora nova. So in the long run you will pay more

 

[DrPurple]

Ok, i see your point. But its not cheaper tho, because you are using twice as much of the bloom and the same of micro, so all in all you will bu using 24ml nutes with Flora, and only 8ml of flora nova. So in the long run you will pay more

It's actually still cheaper, for me anyway, 1l of flora nova bloom is $32.95, 1l of both micro and bloom together cost $26.90, and you get the same amount of uses out of it with some micro left over

 

[Justinsane]

If you shall follow Lucas formula spot on u shall use 8ml micro and 16ml bloom to every gallon, and "only" 8ml of Nova bloom. How can u then get the same amount of uses out of it? Explain it to me and i will buy bloom and micro as well I only want to go with Nova because its save me money (i think), lol

 

[DrPurple]

If you shall follow Lucas formula spot on u shall use 8ml micro and 16ml bloom to every gallon, and "only" 8ml of Nova bloom. How can u then get the same amount of uses out of it? Explain it to me and i will buy bloom and micro as well I only want to go with Nova because its save me money (i think), lol

My mistake, you're correct, I got lost in numbers again and thought it was 16ml lol :smokebuds:

 

[Justinsane]

My mistake, you're correct, I got lost in numbers again and thought it was 16ml lol :smokebuds:

Damnit, i was hoping i was missing sumting and that you where correct here. oh well, flora nova it is then.

 

[Tavosvo]

I am using latewoods GH formula, basically the same in flower, but go 1-1-1 in veg, using grow. He also includes liquid karma and calmag. My plant loved it very bushy like I needed. His theory is bigger plants, but less of them. I only have space for one medium girl so I wanted bushy. I believe I accomplished that with his recipe and some lst.

yay fixed upside down pics on computer

 

[low_and_slow]

Jesus that's one plant!?!??! ^^

For coco (and you'd have to read the better part of 28 pages of threads to get to this) a member on IC mag nailed down a ratio that's working pretty well for me right now.

6ml Micro/9ml Bloom per gallon in RO water turns into about 5.85 for me. For seeds, you start in party cups with damp (just water) coco, then add a tiny little bit of 1/2 strength nutes until you see the very first indication of a LITTLE bit of runoff. Place a tbspn of dry coco on top of the wet medium, drop the bean in the loose dry coco, then drop another tbspn of coco on the bean to cover. Place a plastic bag (like you get your veggies in at the market) over the top of the cup and seal it shut with a tight fitting rubberband. The moisture from the wet coco will evaporate up into the dry coco and gradually moisten it without absolutely drenching your seed in nutes right off the bat. I leave the bag on for 36 hours then remove whether I see a sprout or not. Once you see a set of true leaves I then feed with the same 6/9 ratio every other day, watered down to about 300ppm, pH'ed to 5.6-5.9. Starting day 7 (after germ), I feed at about 400-500 ppm every day. When you feed, add nutes until you see just the tiniest amount of runoff, then stop. The goal is to exchange the liquid in the coco daily. Doing so increases the cation exchange capacity of the medium and keeps the plants' root systems growing. If you were to water then let it dry out like promix, you're going to burn the hell out of your plants because as the coco dries the nutes will become significantly more concentrated as they drop out of solution and the pH will go completely out of whack. By watering daily, you actually oxygenate the roots by allowing an exchange of the old "used" water for new "fresh" water. Per Gr3atful H3ad (the creator of this grow style) you don't ever want to use non-nutrified water unless you sense a SERIOUS over-fertlization. If you feel like you need to remove some of the nute concentration, add water, but not so much that you see runoff. This will keep the nutrients that are already in the container in the container instead of rinsing them out, but will not introduce new nutrients. If you were to "rinse" or "flush" to the point of getting tons of runoff, you can actually sort of neuter the coco by removing all the cations and making it more or less useless.

From the man himself:

"Quote: Originally Posted by Grat3fulh3ad
I use 6ml/gallon GH flora micro and
9ml/gallon GH flora Bloom

1/2 strength for seedlings and freshly rooted clones

Full strength from the beginning of Veg until they begin bud formation
then

9ml/gallon GH flora bloom up until 2 weeks prior to harvest

Then plain water to finish.
is pretty much the regimen I've settled into...
I'm running the 6/9 until the production of new calyx begins to slow... a couple of weeks into flower production on faster flowering strains, a bit longer for 70+ day flowerers... Some of the heavier finishers get the extra 3 ml/gal of bloom that last week... then 0/9 up until flush time...

I have been trying minor variations... upping the bloom during veg gave a bit of Mg/Ca lockout... Leaving out the micro too early looses bud mass... Leaving the micro in too long makes flushing more difficult... Not flushing long enough affects the quality of the flavor and burn... Watering with no runoff at all causes lockout and flushing issues late in flower... Watering with more than a tiny bit of runoff is a waste of nute, and environmentally irresponsible...
No matter what variations I've tried, I seem to end up right back just about where I am now..."

So far I'm up to day 10 on my Mossy strains (PAK/JEM/M. Drag), just transplanted into 2 gallon smart pots. I'll let you know how it goes, currently diluting my feeds to about 500ppm (full strength is just under 900). So far the plants look great, and unlike every other grow, it's impossible to over-water. When using coco, you have to ignore the fact that it looks and feels like soil. It is 100% hydro and if you don't water daily, you'll starve your plants and cause lockout.

 

[Justinsane]

Jesus that's one plant!?!??! ^^

For coco (and you'd have to read the better part of 28 pages of threads to get to this) a member on IC mag nailed down a ratio that's working pretty well for me right now.

6ml Micro/9ml Bloom per gallon in RO water turns into about 5.85 for me. For seeds, you start in party cups with damp (just water) coco, then add a tiny little bit of 1/2 strength nutes until you see the very first indication of a LITTLE bit of runoff. Place a tbspn of dry coco on top of the wet medium, drop the bean in the loose dry coco, then drop another tbspn of coco on the bean to cover. Place a plastic bag (like you get your veggies in at the market) over the top of the cup and seal it shut with a tight fitting rubberband. The moisture from the wet coco will evaporate up into the dry coco and gradually moisten it without absolutely drenching your seed in nutes right off the bat. I leave the bag on for 36 hours then remove whether I see a sprout or not. Once you see a set of true leaves I then feed with the same 6/9 ratio every other day, watered down to about 300ppm, pH'ed to 5.6-5.9. Starting day 7 (after germ), I feed at about 400-500 ppm every day. When you feed, add nutes until you see just the tiniest amount of runoff, then stop. The goal is to exchange the liquid in the coco daily. Doing so increases the cation exchange capacity of the medium and keeps the plants' root systems growing. If you were to water then let it dry out like promix, you're going to burn the hell out of your plants because as the coco dries the nutes will become significantly more concentrated as they drop out of solution and the pH will go completely out of whack. By watering daily, you actually oxygenate the roots by allowing an exchange of the old "used" water for new "fresh" water. Per Gr3atful H3ad (the creator of this grow style) you don't ever want to use non-nutrified water unless you sense a SERIOUS over-fertlization. If you feel like you need to remove some of the nute concentration, add water, but not so much that you see runoff. This will keep the nutrients that are already in the container in the container instead of rinsing them out, but will not introduce new nutrients. If you were to "rinse" or "flush" to the point of getting tons of runoff, you can actually sort of neuter the coco by removing all the cations and making it more or less useless.

From the man himself:

"Quote: Originally Posted by Grat3fulh3ad
I use 6ml/gallon GH flora micro and
9ml/gallon GH flora Bloom

1/2 strength for seedlings and freshly rooted clones

Full strength from the beginning of Veg until they begin bud formation
then

9ml/gallon GH flora bloom up until 2 weeks prior to harvest

Then plain water to finish.
is pretty much the regimen I've settled into...
I'm running the 6/9 until the production of new calyx begins to slow... a couple of weeks into flower production on faster flowering strains, a bit longer for 70+ day flowerers... Some of the heavier finishers get the extra 3 ml/gal of bloom that last week... then 0/9 up until flush time...

I have been trying minor variations... upping the bloom during veg gave a bit of Mg/Ca lockout... Leaving out the micro too early looses bud mass... Leaving the micro in too long makes flushing more difficult... Not flushing long enough affects the quality of the flavor and burn... Watering with no runoff at all causes lockout and flushing issues late in flower... Watering with more than a tiny bit of runoff is a waste of nute, and environmentally irresponsible...
No matter what variations I've tried, I seem to end up right back just about where I am now..."

So far I'm up to day 10 on my Mossy strains (PAK/JEM/M. Drag), just transplanted into 2 gallon smart pots. I'll let you know how it goes, currently diluting my feeds to about 500ppm (full strength is just under 900). So far the plants look great, and unlike every other grow, it's impossible to over-water. When using coco, you have to ignore the fact that it looks and feels like soil. It is 100% hydro and if you don't water daily, you'll starve your plants and cause lockout.

You think this will work with 100%perlite as well?