Thank you blue, as mentioned with the new led light replacing my old de hid the learning curve has been rapid and steep. I definitely stunted some freebies I was using these to learn the lights, now I'm seeing similar signs on the newbies. One of the first I stunted is still hanging around it's a tangerine short, stocky but definitely not reaching its potential, little frustrating at almost 30 days it's all of 6 inches tall.
@hippy71, I would say your right in your comment. I had 2 of the lights on the seedlings and remember these that stunted were freebies. The current seedlings at doing much better and are from quality breeders. Also not knowing the lights I probably had them too close. Normally I take the time to read as much as I can take what I can use and put it away in the knowledge tool box. I've had a lot of overtime at work and less time to read this summer. I want to thank you and everyone for the input as always plenty of good people on here.