Old Reviews Sublimator

[Itisi]

Hi Egzoset

I had a quick look at some old steam tables, these were for saturated, dry steam but just to give you an idea of the pressure/temp scale we are dealing with here.

The pressure is needed to hold the steam in its physical state, a reduction in pressure would allow some of the steam to fash off as a gas, this uses energy from the surrounding steam which will condense back to water.

At a temp of 130 c the pressure is 1.7 bar.

If you want a steam temp of 250c the pressure would b at 39 bar.

Superheated steam actually has poorer thermal properties than saturated steam and may not have the moist heating properties you seek, (it's actually used to dry things in processing plant).

That being said, perhaps manipulating the temp/pressure at the point of exposing the herb to the steam, so that the steam kind of resatuates itself using moisture from the plant material would work. But it would require some mind boggling finite temp and pressure control.

This may well be useful for large scale concentrate preperation before an affordable personal vape can be built.

But I think you are definitely the sort of person that we need, I'm happy to use what is available where as you seem to be more 'that can be made much better'.

Hats off to you sir. And good luck with your quest for the perfect vapor

 

[Itisi]

Something I forgot that you may be interested in as you use butane and have mentioned about co2 being inhaled.

Look into stoikimetric (spelt that wrong!) Combustion, this is the holy grail of fossil fuel burning and if achieved all you get is heat and water vapor ,sound desirable?

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Itisi,

Superheated steam actually has poorer thermal properties than saturated steam and may not have the moist heating properties you seek...

Too bad if i don't happen to have a working theory holding. The fact remains these last couple months i've been all excited observing a dramatic change from experiencing definite benefits of my pipe while the table unit rendered me miserable on a daily basis. As i recall i started refering to « 1-Atmosphere Super-Heated Water-Vapor » after some read about a generator manufactured by MHI Inc. They would be the guys with more answers than questions...

...may well be useful for large scale concentrate preperation...

Nah... Not my scale of operation anyway!

But I think you are definitely the sort of person that we need...

That was my opinion of yourself as well when we met. The thing is i've reached the limits of my playing ground and i was hoping to know how it would be like on yours. Nonetheless thank you for the kind compliment, in addition to an opportunity to set the stage for future discussions!

...stoikimetric...

Great, lets add that other keyword to our To-Do list:

Google Images: Stoichiometric Combustion​

Good day, have fun!!

 

[yodabuds]

itisi! Thank you for the review! Have seen these a while a go and was always curious about them! I myself just got a unit that sort of reminds of this by d-nail called the flower adapter, will see how it goes... Glad your enjoying the subliminator!

 

[BII]

Hi Egzoset

I think you may have misunderstood some of my reply. I didn't think you were calling me names at all. I didn't think there was anything negative in your post. By saying 'I'm a nuts and bolts kind of guy' I merely meant that I tend to understand things on a more simple, mechanical level.

OK, a simplified eplanation of how I think it works: the attached picture shows a close up of the atomiser and heater, the bottom of the atomiser is in the unit so can't be seen. At the bottom of the tapered part,inside, is a small orifice. The herb is held and heated above this, leaving a small gap to be filled with vapor. The orifice causes a restriction of airflow/vapor path, forming a vacuum when you inhale. Because the atomiser is at same temp as heater the vapor is kept at temperature, as it passes through the orifice into a vacuum it's boiling point will become lower, this causes a change in state (the same as when water turns to steam, water and steam both exist at 100c ,if you boil water up a mountain where there is less pressure this happens at a lower tep.)

How this compares to your method of vapor production I do not know.

As I recall (but I've never seen one), the Sublimator continues to heat formed vapor while it is expanded, causing a partial vacuum and further vaporizing (into a gas) any already-condensing vapor particles. Theoretically, this results in delayed essential oil vapor condensation and inhaltion of smaller air-suspended vapor globules (what we call 'vapor') better able to get deep down into the lungs and be instantly absorbed.

Simplistically, the Sublimator apparently delivers smaller-sized, heated twice, vapor particles (with the sticky molecules of interest and other essential oils at best for a fraction of a second after initial formation/vaporization existing in a gaseous state, as single molecules.

 

[Itisi]

itisi! Thank you for the review! Have seen these a while a go and was always curious about them! I myself just got a unit that sort of reminds of this by d-nail called the flower adapter, will see how it goes... Glad your enjoying the subliminator!

Hi Yodabuds

I just looked up d-nail, it does look very simular!

If anything the d-nail stuff looks better made! Oh well, the joys of surfing only UK vaporiser shopping sites!

You here such horror stories of the crap made in China, so I use a reputable, London based importer, review all products to death, hand over £500 and quest what?

You've gotta laugh!

 

[Itisi]

As I recall (but I've never seen one), the Sublimator continues to heat formed vapor while it is expanded, causing a partial vacuum and further vaporizing (into a gas) any already-condensing vapor particles. Theoretically, this results in delayed essential oil vapor condensation and inhaltion of smaller air-suspended vapor globules (what we call 'vapor') better able to get deep down into the lungs and be instantly absorbed.

Simplistically, the Sublimator apparently delivers smaller-sized, heated twice, vapor particles (with the sticky molecules of interest and other essential oils at best for a fraction of a second after initial formation/vaporization existing in a gaseous state, as single molecules.

Cheers Bll.

I always struggle with the theory side of stuff unless I can physically see how it works. As I said earlier in the thread, the atomiser reminds me of the device in old account units thar causes the change from a liquid to a gas, hence my hammed attempt at an explanation.

Whatever it is I inhale from it, it has a different "feel to it".

 

[lazylathe]

I have an older version of the Sub, the one with a timer box and an adjustment wheel.
Same concept though and it works very well!

Not sure how but it produces different vapor to all my other vapes.
Hits harder, bigger volume of vapor for same material weight, very even browning!
Super fun to use once you have found your preferred temperature.
I like it dry or through water equally.

 

[lazylathe]

My Sublimator has been brought into the digital age!


I have removed the dial wheel and ditched the timer, all i was left with was the handle and heater and the wires!
A thermocouple was attached to the head of the Sub and this was run into an XLR connector that plugs into an E-Nail controller!

Accurate temp control and the visual aspect of seeing the temp displayed has made it very easy to find certain ranges as well as my top threshold, which is at 500F.

Dabs and flower hits at the same time are insane!

I give you the first digital read out Sublimator with a thermocouple!

 

[Itisi]

My Sublimator has been brought into the digital age!


I have removed the dial wheel and ditched the timer, all i was left with was the handle and heater and the wires!
A thermocouple was attached to the head of the Sub and this was run into an XLR connector that plugs into an E-Nail controller!

Accurate temp control and the visual aspect of seeing the temp displayed has made it very easy to find certain ranges as well as my top threshold, which is at 500F.

Dabs and flower hits at the same time are insane!

I give you the first digital read out Sublimator with a thermocouple!

Nice work. I've got my setting levels down pat now. But taking the quess work out of when it's warmed up, that's a it have.

Itisi
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