Old Reviews Sublimator

[Itisi]

VAPORISER NAME:- Sublimator


TYPE OF VAPORISER (home or portable):- Home


DRAW METHOD (whip,bag,attached mouthpiece or drawn direct from unit):- Whip


COMPATIBLE MATERIAL (herb,oil or both):- Both


COST(feel free to add link to store):- Just short of £500!!!


ACCESSORIES (have you added anything eg water cooler):- Fits onto most of my glass pieces


QUALITY OF VAPOUR (eg thick tasty plooms to no visible vapour with plastic taste):- Allegedly it's a gas, not a vapor. Whatever ,its THE thickest clouds of any thing!


AMOUNT OF TIME OWNED:- 3 weeks


PERSONAL THOUGHTS (please be frank,if the vaporiser is poor we want to know):- Absolutely amazing. Wrth the hideous price.


PICS AND LINK (please add a picture of your vape with a link to the manufacturer):-

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Itisi,

...its THE thickest clouds of any thing!

Hummm... Lets suppose we can all agree that it is, but i don't know that myself, only i'd be ready to bet on some Sublimator-specific "cyclone" effect, if memory serves me correctly. In the begining i wasn't sure what to think of it, that must have been at least 1 year ago, maybe more...

...PERSONAL THOUGHTS...

I'm gathering you're not inviting everyone into a discussion, but i still wonder if ideas are welcome: Superheat Steam related topics, including Inlet Auto-Conditioning/Self-Moisturizing, for example, etc... Combine that to the Curie-effect applied in some 3rd-party Induction Heat scenario and that shall be a feature capable of making your above statement become universally true - and even accepted as a fact of life everywhere, anytime... I believe! What do you say?

Good day, have fun!!





Ref.:

1-Atmosphere Super-Heated Water-Vapor release/transport substitute

 

[Itisi]

Salutations Itisi,



Hummm... Lets suppose we can all agree that it is, but i don't know that myself, only i'd be ready to bet on some Sublimator-specific "cyclone" effect, if memory serves me correctly. In the begining i wasn't sure what to think of it, that must have been at least 1 year ago, maybe more...



I'm gathering you're not inviting everyone into a discussion, but i still wonder if ideas are welcome: Superheat Steam related topics, including Inlet Auto-Conditioning/Self-Moisturizing, for example, etc... Combine that to the Curie-effect applied in some 3rd-party Induction Heat scenario and that shall be a feature capable of making your above statement become universally true - and even accepted as a fact of life everywhere, anytime... I believe! What do you say?

Good day, have fun!!





Ref.:

Hi Egzoset.

Thanks for the reply.

Since I bought the sublimator I have become aware of a bit of a disagreement amount vaporists about how it works.

When comparing it to other home units I've tried (including the vulcano and vapexhale cloud evo), it produces thicker clouds.

I'm a heating and ventilation engineer by trade and the atomiser in the sublimator reminds me of a fixed orifice expansion valve, using the device create a vacuum beneath this atomiser. I think when the vapor passes through the orifice it's still being heated, but it's in a vacuum, which I assume would cause a change in latent heat.

I'm very much a nuts and bolts kind of bloke, so the above is based on what I have read about how they claim it works and what I have experienced whilst using it.

The bottom line for me is this, out of every vaporising device I have tried, this is the only one that has ever positively suprised me. Every other vaporiser I have personally tried has always been a bit of a disappointment.

Feel free to use this thread as a discussion.

Thanks

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Itisi,

...kind of bloke...

Oh my, i like to think that's not how you visualize me, i mean calling others names, etc.

Thanks for the reply.

It's a pleasure being able to join a discussion, monologues are so much less stimulating - as much for the readers than the author(s) to be frankly honest. It's not a frequent event, no need to thank me. Thank YOU!

Since I bought the sublimator I have become aware of a bit of a disagreement amount vaporists about how it works. ...it produces thicker clouds.

Itisi, i'm afraid i must highlight a fact of life about me too: i can't stand using Dry-Air cannabic vaporizing machines anymore - and i figured a most probable explanation i think. By chance i can enjoy a Clean-Burning Butane-Operated personalized pipe, that's all the options i got. My selection of choices relates to VaporGenie, maybe NimBinVap or TriiHouse... VapoCane if it can still be found, etc.

Put briefly it seems i require "Superhot Steam" to be involved in the release/transport process while it also provides self-moisturization.

The problem with electricity and water is that they don't mix readily, i've never heard of electric cannabic vaporizers with a water tank integrated into the appliance until very recently. Yet if we get rid of the wires and associated hardware then many novel features become accessible, self-conditioning as well i would guess.

In any case i'm unable to enjoy opaque clouds that i won't get in 1st... Which is where i can make a contribution IMO:

LavaWand Triple-Function Symetrical Bullet​

This is outdated by now because i've replaced the Alloy/SiC/Glass middle-assy. parts in each SiC (sandwich-like) duo with this:

AFN: Butane-Operated Customized Vaporist Pipe: The Power of Fire!... (2015-Jul-22)​

I've tagged it the "UFO" element, it appears to be cut into aluminium and i found it on the "main" during the Montréal Jazz festival.

Below this is my present "final" solution, also part of my bi-energy (IH-compatible) "Plan-B" experiment (where "B" stands for "Butane"):

So, my modded VG pipe only represents one half of that "LavaWand Triple-Function Symetrical Bullet" model illustrated initially. In Induction Heat mode such a bullet would pre-heat evenly and then just before the vaporisation temperature is reached some combination of Curie-effects would cause its structure to shift Electro-Magnetic Energy Conversion to the final (side-) stages. E.G. where a proper convection source of Hot-Air would happen to be implemented in a "packetized" fashion, considering physical finite parameters combined to the thermostatic Curie-effect based behaviour can be reasonably expected to effectively limit the amount of heat transfered (meaning in a predictible enough manner i'll bet)... In addition, with suitable plating perhaps a stack of multiple Puck/UFO cells shall manage well withstanding lots of punishment, including Superheat Steam i would hope.

{ N.B.: For all i know the VG pattent only covers the use of SiC + fire so far... }

I'm a heating and ventilation engineer by trade...

Well then i can only feel even more aprehensive than before, because i'm getting short of energy all day and i was hoping an event like that might occur, eventually. I need to pass the ball now, nice to meet you!!

...the atomiser in the sublimator reminds me of a fixed orifice expansion valve, using the device create a vacuum beneath this atomiser. I think when the vapor passes through the orifice it's still being heated, but it's in a vacuum, which I assume would cause a change in latent heat.

Hummm... But then how does that compare to Superhot Steam exacly? Lets put it in simple terms the readers will understand, me included, ideally! ... You see, i'm concerned thermodynamic scripture would scare the audience away!

...what I have experienced whilst using it.

This dedicated thread will be a perfect meeting place where to gather those observations and associated reflections, testimony, etc. Hoping more may even pile up after a while.

Every other vaporiser I have personally tried has always been a bit of a disappointment.

In that case i wish i could invite you to share the experience of a few modded VG pipe sessions - or guide you in an effort to replicate my observasions in order to issue a verdict of your own about it, as i'm confident « what you got » + « what i got » can only lead to « something they all want »!



Good day, have fun!!

 

[Itisi]

Hi Egzoset

I think you may have misunderstood some of my reply. I didn't think you were calling me names at all. I didn't think there was anything negative in your post. By saying 'I'm a nuts and bolts kind of guy' I merely meant that I tend to understand things on a more simple, mechanical level.

OK, a simplified eplanation of how I think it works: the attached picture shows a close up of the atomiser and heater, the bottom of the atomiser is in the unit so can't be seen. At the bottom of the tapered part,inside, is a small orifice. The herb is held and heated above this, leaving a small gap to be filled with vapor. The orifice causes a restriction of airflow/vapor path, forming a vacuum when you inhale. Because the atomiser is at same temp as heater the vapor is kept at temperature, as it passes through the orifice into a vacuum it's boiling point will become lower, this causes a change in state (the same as when water turns to steam, water and steam both exist at 100c ,if you boil water up a mountain where there is less pressure this happens at a lower tep.)

How this compares to your method of vapor production I do not know.

Enjoy.

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Itisi,

No worries, perhaps i foccussed too much on details writing my intro. Hand-work proves valuable often enough, i sure can appreciate LEGO-style manipulations while i let my mind wander, etc. Which reminds me i should have mentioned the idea of exploiting a capsule's potential for vibration, or even make it work like a rotor (...) as that would allow implementation of a vacuum state i guess.

Good day, have fun!!

 

[Itisi]

Salutations Itisi,

No worries, perhaps i foccussed too much on details writing my intro. Hand-work proves valuable often enough, i sure can appreciate LEGO-style manipulations while i let my mind wander, etc. Which reminds me i should have mentioned the idea of exploiting a capsule's potential for vibration, or even make it work like a rotor (...) as that would allow implementation of a vacuum state i guess.

Good day, have fun!! [emoji14]eace:

Vibration eh?! I'm intrigued !

Would this be in respect of dialing into a specific frequency to somehow aid in the release of vapor?

Some sort of canabic microwave!?

 

[Egzoset]

Salutations Itisi,

Vibration eh?!

We'd 1st need to evaluate the frequency range required for proper Curie-effect behaviour depending on the selected alloys. Suppose it's within the low A.M. band, near 600 KHz or so... Now the driver has 9 poles grouped as a trio of 3, implying it's 3-phasic and ideally sine-driven... I'm expecting if IH cycles are assymetrically skipped then this will translate as side-band modulation, possibly down to the ultra-sonic operating region and beyond. A buzzer feature for signaling would seem great, Go figure! Careful design might even allow unsuspected functions to emerge, maybe it's possible to create a stationary ultrasonic wave inside the capsule to influence pressure, etc., and/or induce residual tangential momentum, etc., whatever... You tell me!

Yet, i'm quite confident a magnetically-polarized piece of metal submitted to an alternating electro-magnetic field will generate some movement (vibration) indeed! In this example 1 half-capsule has 3 "finger" on the middle junction ring that correspond to 3 receptacles of opposite polarity, on its counter-part (to make the halves stick magnetically and hence help seal the cannabic bowl in between):

When magnet poles and induction coils meet together that's the begining of a vibrator, an actuator, a transducer, or even a stator, etc...

Would this be in respect of dialing into a specific frequency to somehow aid in the release of vapor?

M'well, the dimensions are relatively predictible/uniform and i suppose this may imply susceptibility to sympathic resonance.

Someone will have to find out! In the good old days a bridge fell into the river down below just because of such phenomenon if i'm not mistaking, maybe the various substrate parts got some characteristic resonance frequency of their own!

The "unknowns" started to accumulate!

Anyway, it can't do much harm to shake while heating i think...

Some sort of canabic microwave!?

No. Microwaving operates in the GHz range, where the H2O dipole molecule becomes excited...

In addition it no longer supports thermostatic behaviour, at the point of contact and by virtue of the Curie-effect which only occurs in specially formulated alloys, at the foundry... In my solution combining Electro-Magnetic power injection to Curie-alloys there's the benefit of temperature self-regulation without a sensor, wires, parasitic items associated to controller-board time constants, etc.

Take 1 part out of this intertwined type of foundation and then the whole building shall eventually collapse.

Good day, have fun!!

 

[Itisi]

Wow! A 3 phase, sonic/vibrating, super heated steam generating vaporiser!

If you get a plan drawn up I'd love a look.

I've forgotten my steam theory, my apprenticeship was a long time ago, I'm pretty sure there was a need for high pressure to Superheat steam, which may make keeping it as an inhalable vapor.

 

[Egzoset]

Hi there Itisi!

A 3 phase, sonic/vibrating, super heated steam generating...

MouHa! Ha! Ha! M'yeah, it sounds so modest of me!! But of course i never said i'd really build it, only that i like to imagine i just might! Most evidently, actually it has already happened... Just not yet!!

If you get a plan drawn up I'd love a look.

Oh my goodness, if only i could! Not that i don't have software installed and ready to go, just like i pointed out above: actually it has already happened, just not yet!...

I've forgotten my steam theory, my apprenticeship was a long time ago, I'm pretty sure there was a need for high pressure to Superheat steam, which may make keeping it as an inhalable vapor.

Oh but it's from Hitachi's microwave oven documentation (ref. model MRO-AV100E):

« Superheated Steam is generated by instantaneously reheating 100°C steam. It contains approximately 11x more thermal energy than a conventional oven's hot air. »​

That's not exactly what my LavaCapsule is supposed to do but it's not very different neither. In a symetrical capsule the sweet-spot pre-heating temperature must be around 130 °C since pre-heating is performed in conductive-heat mode. Though the radiative/convective mode cores would need to be at ~ 250 °C i figure. Yet there can be no sealed design here, no rise of pressure is desired other than negative pressure caused by inhalation, with a water accessory protecting the lungs path at least during preliminary evaluation. Superheat Steam appears to be seriously efficient if that claim is accurate, nonetheless.

What do you think? Ain't that how my Clean-Burning Butane-Operated Modded VG Pipe happens to work as well? Except i get CO2 in the lungs path while in comparison Superheat Steam doesn't carry contaminants at all, which i believe makes that an excellent option, even in terms of a quality release/transport agent for true hard-core "purists", i suspect! Hence my mention of such topic here...



Perhaps it appears alien or else but doesn't it sound desirable to integrate such a potent feature into new designs presently in developpement? I mean, IMO the Hot Dry-Air era cannot last much longer than it already has. All it takes is distilled water and this happens to be reasonably safe/bio-compatible at 1 atmosphere, i would argue!... A boost of 11x the thermal energy must be worth something, so i'm starting to expect some wave of frenzy coming this direction, eventually, or i'm simply day-dreaming again!



Good day Itisi, enjoy these cannabic thoughts!!





P.S.:

Oh! I almost forgot, the transducer concept is bi-directional... Which means it can also serve as the user-interface for a button-less operation! For example, 5 consecutive taps followed by 2 more will provide access to the temperature pre-set menu, buzzing sounds can be returned in response, etc...​