The Brothers Grimm on Cubing

[Arty Zan]

This is from a conversation with Mr.Soul of the Brother Grimm
I lifted it from another forum hope that is OK @Stone
I found it @ RowItUp
This method is for photoperiod strains which can they be worked into you auto strain once the initial work has been done!

Bros Grimm have been employing a method called "Cubing a Clone" to create strains from unique female plants for years now. Read the following and you'll understand:
Cubing a clone is a way to create a unique seedline (a “strain”) modelled after a currently existing female individual. The goal is to create seeds from which the females replicate the phenotype of the original female. Obviously the chosen female should be an outstanding specimen.
Procedure:
CONTINUOUSLY KEEP A MOTHER IN THE VEGETATIVE STATE TO PROVIDE CLONES
1. Pollinate a flowering clone of the original female with the pollen of a related male, preferably her father or a brother. The resulting seeds contain 1/2 the original female's genes and 1/2 those of the male. An unrelated male won’t have the Y-chromosome of the chosen female’s family & therefore any Y-linked traits of the family will always be missing in the seedline.

2. Grow the above seeds & flower them. Collect an equal quantity of pollen from each selected male and mix it together.
3. Pollinate a flowering clone of the original female with the above pollen. These seeds contain 1/2 the original female’s genes plus 1/4 more because the male used was 1/2 her genetics too. I call this generation “.75” to capture the idea that it’s 3/4 of the original female’s genetics.
4. Grow the above seeds & flower them. Collect an equal quantity of pollen from each selected male and mix it together.
5. Pollinate a flowering clone of the original female with the above pollen. These seeds contain 7/8 the original genes (1/2+3/8), the ".88" generation.
6. Grow the above seeds & flower them. Collect an equal quantity of pollen from each selected male and mix it together.
7. Pollinate a flowering clone of the original female with the above pollen. These seeds contain 15/16 the original genes (1/2+7/16), the ".94" generation. Theoretically this will be a stable, true-breeding seedline from which all females are replicas of the original.
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Cindy99 Notes
"Clone flowered under a 400watt, 42watts/sq.ft. Grown organically in a soilless medium, 1:1:1 ratio of GOOD potting mix, perlite, & worm castings. Finished about 16"-18" tall. Nice high flower to leaf ratio, manicuring would be a breeze if it didn't have so much resin globbed all over it. Nugs were dense for a 400watt, but not tight like they are under the big lights. I flowered for 53 days, last 24 hours no light. I alternated Big Bloom & Hi-P fishes (Neptune's Harvest) for food. Total yield about 15gm of very frosty & very potent well manicured buds. Good flavor, but a STRONG smoke. Very "up" high. I can get a lot done instead of just vegging. By far the best I've grown. No shit." - Bill Clinton

"C88 is the best so far. It has blown the socks off every Dutch variety I've grown for all around goodness." - flwr smkr

"The photo at the web site is Cafe'Girl, she is the sister of Princess (Cinderella 88's mom). Cafe'Girl is the seed mother I'm using to produce "Dylan's Diamond" which will be released in January 1999. She's a beauty - BIG yielder of super DENSE, crystalized buds in fairly LOW light levels. Scent/flavour is very much like ginger ale." - MrSoul

"Princess was obtained from growing out seeds found in buds of Jack Herer that was purchased in Amsterdam at the "Sensi-Smile" coffee shop, an authorized outlet of Sensi Seed Bank. Thus, it is considered to be an f2 generation Jack Herer. The seeds were found only in the deepest part of the buds indicating that the father was an unusually early-maturing JH that the growers missed at first." - MrSoul

"Princess is a female which resulted from a seed found in a Jack Herer bud I bought in Amsterdam near the Sensi Seed Bank at "Coffeeshop Sensi Smile". The bud came in a 2 gr. cello-pack with the Sensi logo; I expected sinsemilla, but it had about 10 seeds so I assume she's an F2 JH. Her characteristics were so fine I wanted to create seeds that would "replicate" this plant. She has the KILLER Haze-influenced high with the most DELICIOUS pineapple/evil scent, 50 day maturation in 12/12, and incredible resin production, doesn't stretch - yet clearly Sativa-dominant! Last but not least: Never a hint of hermaphrodism after 2 years of cloning & many different styles of grow.

I wanted to "cube" Princess but add a little beef to her branches because the buds were always too heavy at harvest and branches needed staking to keep from flopping over. I crossed my ShivaSkunk female with one of the males from the same group of seeds that Princess came from. THIS cross produced a male which was then crossed to Princess, creating "P.50" (using a shorthand notation I developed to indicate the fraction of Princess genes in the cross).
Each generation is the result of crossing a male from the previous generation to Princess herself (incestuous, I know).
Blow-by-blow description of the generations:
P.50 = Heavy, single-cola type plants with mellow high (too much influence from the ShivaSkunk) Sweet fruity scent/flavor. Unstable in most traits - for example, 10 days difference in fastest/slowest maturation period in a group of 20 seedlings.
P.75 = Plants leaning MUCH more in the direction of Princess in floral cluster and bud structure, scent/flavor turned more "tropical" like pineapple. The stability was becoming better - two major phenotypes; short & dense (potent too) or tall/HUGE (Not so potent).
P.88 = Renamed Cinderella 88 when first released on the market. It grows fast and produces excellent yields of FROSTY buds in 7 weeks! Generally uniform seedlings with minor differences in floral formation and some height variance, but the smoke is quite consistent from all plants - Dense, heavy nuggets of fruity scented & flavored (like wild berries) and covered in resin glands, the dried buds have distinctly ORANGE pistils.
And now P.94 = Cinderella 99. This project has been a huge success. The strain has been embraced by the "net"work of growers with rave reviews.

The Bros. Grimm too have been recognized for their excellent combination of quality products and unparalleled service after the sale. There's NO OTHER seed bank that has it's breeders on the net answering questions from "newbies" 40 hours/week, and the info is first-rate; even details of their breeding strategies are openly discussed so that the seed buyer can feel well-informed about the products BG offer.
I personally think the plants these Cinderella 99 seeds produce are every bit as good as a cutting from Princess herself (or better). I say better because the flavor of no two plants is "identical"; there's a personality to all living things. Like Princess herself, Cinderella is sweet & fruity to the palette and nose, and when you take a hit you're BLASTED...with the same "racy" high as Princess! The improvement comes in the yield department; 25% greater yield and a stronger branch structure, which I accomplished by starting with some ShivaSkunk genes in the original father in the cubing process. I knew I'd blend out the majority of the traits from ShivaSkunk in the cubing process, but I was hoping to incorporate the ShivaSkunk's stronger branches because Princess had a tendency to need supports in the final two weeks of flowering. As it turns out, I got lucky and it worked. The name suits the strain IMO - it's a true Cinderella Story." - MrSoul

"Jack Herer is an unstable strain bred from an unequal combination of Sk#1, NL#5, and Haze. Crossing a male and female Jack Herer creates an F2 generation which has a HUGE number of possible recombinations of the genes. I grew out some Jack Herer F2s and discovered a SPECIAL one, "Princess", which has many improvements on the original JH such as a shorter flowering time, denser bud structure and pineapple scent/flavour. I have been continually back crossing Princess with her male offspring (generation after generation) which eventually creates a stabilized strain having her special characteristics found reliably in most females grown from those seeds. Each generation is composed of a 50% genetic contribution from Princess (since she's the seed parent) and a 50% contribution from the pollen parent (which also has an increasing percentage of Princess' genetics with each generation). The progression goes: P.50, P.75, P.88, P.94, and P.97...at that point it's considered stabilized (a male and female P.97 can be crossed and the offspring are essentially the same as the parents). I have been VERY pleased with the way this project is going; even the P.75 generation was rather stable in the sense that the individuals were all rather uniform and HIGH quality. The P.88 seeds are available now, and the P.94 will be available around Christmas time. So, you see, since I have combined genes from Sk#1, NL#5, and Haze, creating a plant which has characteristics distinctly different than Jack Herer, and I'm creating a stable strain from this plant... it's legitimately MY work." - MrSoul

"I used Shiva Skunk from Sensi Seeds as a minor component in the development of Cinderella .... I crossed a fine female Shiva Skunk with a brother of Princess, then grew a male from those seeds to begin the cubingprocess with." - MrSoul

"C99 is has more of the Haze type of high because the mother (Princess), has that kind of high and each time I back-cross to her the next generation gets a bit more of it. Smoking PURE Princess buds is a bit scary...it's too "speedy" and paranoia-inducing for most people. But she's so RESINOUS (see photo) and her flavour is just so delicious and fruity that I knew back-crossing her to her offspring over several generations would create a strain which is actually BETTER than the original mother in terms of a more PLEASING high. It was successful beyond my expectations.

The progression I went through was:

P.50 = Princess/(ShivaSkunk/Princess'Brother)
P.75 = Princess/P.50
Cinderella 88 = Princess/P.75
Cinderella 99 = Princess/Cinderella 88

Each generation exhibited a MAJOR jump in potency (P.50 was rather mellow)...P.75 has a well-balanced body/mind high with a citrus flavour, Cinderella 88 is cerebral & paralyzing with a tropical fruit flavour, and Cinderella 99 is "TRIP WEED"...with more of the fruity flavour and speedy effect from Princess." - MrSoul

"Princess.75 finished outside in northern Kentucky Oct 15, (killer smoke!) The 99's should also, I would think. I do intend to find out! No mold and it was quite wet too." - 27yrs

"I grew out Cinderella 88 and in my experience the Great White Shark is a more interesting line although admittedly my luck with C88 was not the best. The one female I was vouchsafed grows more like a vine then a tree and is difficult to clone and cultivate. However the psychoactivity of the floral clusters is very intense and the stone is complex and very cerebral. This is a very potent plant, indeed. But if I didn't know it was Cindy, I confess I might have let this plant go a while ago. As it is I am trying to find ways to accommodate the plant's finickiness because of its lineage. But I wonder if the BG's cross between the original princess and a Green House male White Widow (Ice Princess) might not be a more propitious way of including Bg's Princess genetics in one's garden. The hybrid vigor that results from crossing two great plants of differing genetic backgrounds creates the best stock for cultivation, in my opinion." - Moose

"I want to comment that your result with the Cinderella 88 is NOT typical: I have grown an awful lot of them, and I have never seen one that was remotely "vine-like". They're usually Sativa-dominant hybrid phenotype with moderate leaf width, short & stocky stature, heavy branching, extremely high flower/leaf ratio and unparalleled resin production. The flowering plants smell like fruity cotton-candy. In my experience, they usually root through a 2 inch rockwool cube in 10 days...and I don't even use rooting hormones." -MrSoul

"Cinder: There's been a lot of talk about this strain. All I can say is that I'm very glad I grew this one. Fast, nice yields, great high. Harvested at 49 days--maybe even a little too long. While most really bite ya in the ass, the occasional bud out of my jar is simply wicked. I actually got lost a few blocks from my house--shit that hasn't happened in 10 years." - shaggy

"There are 10 C99's flowering at day 32 in the hydroponics online 2-liter bottle ebb-and flow system using GH nutes and Pure blend at about 1600 ppm(they could probably take more!!). I have to say these plants are unbelievable! The situation is that the buds are becoming too heavy for the branches, including some of the colas. It looks like some of the side buds will be scraping the floor by harvest!" - KGB

"I agree that c99 appears to be something special. Great resin production, great density at 28 days. Still no major odor(yet.) The thin leaves allow great light penetration. Sometime in the future I will do a whole garden of Cindy. What GH mix are you using on the c99 right now? She has been the most finicky feeder I've ever met." - kaka

"C-99 is very uniform. I have 4 females grown from seed that just finished their 4th week of flowering, and the only variation seems to be their height, the shortest being 3.5 feet and the tallest 4.5 feet, and all were topped once. They were started under a 400 watt MH for the first month and have been getting a full 12 hours per day of sunlight since then, and their cola's are HUGE. Wait'll you see how well they do under natural sunlight." - Rex Feral

"My estimate for Northern States would be early October. I have a friend who was growing it outdoors in Maine (48 degrees N?), it was about 3 weeks from finished in mid-September. Unfortunately, his outdoor grow was ripped off. If you're growing in an area prone to mold, you may have problems, but it's difficult to say because in the Northeast we don't have such a problem with mold. I can only tell you that the buds are DENSE (you HAVE seen the photos, haven't you?)...so it could be susceptible to mold." -MrSoul

"If its Fruit Punch that you want, you should check out "Cinderella 88"....I've smoked the mother that this is the backcross of, and YEEEEHAW she kicks ass. The smell is very similar to the Hawaiian... think back to when you (ok I) was a kid... remember Bubbalicious? Or Hubba Bubba chewing gum? Think about the tropical fruit flavor, and there ya go-- thats what it smells like... A sickly sweet fruit punch gum, a little undertone of "stink" to go with it. A first class high too... (Not to turn this into an advertisement, just a recommendation, but I've personally tried this strain and it will do it for you just like the Hawaiian)." - Shabang

"I'm kind of trying for either Kali Mist or their Himalayan Gold, essentially I'm looking for a badass sativa high that I can grow manageably indoors. -See if you can get Cinderella 88 from Mike at Weedseed. I've personally tried this smoke and it is the best, most lucid sativa high you could ask for. The breeder put a lot of time and talent into this one! Kumquat I do have 3 6' princess " crosses in my garden.

They are nothing like the j. herer growing with them, as someone mentioned...looks closer to Ncga's BW but with a more sativa look. The plants preflowered in early June which made it much easier to plan the garden spacing, although I had no idea these would get so tall. The secondary branching is quite thick and well developed with tight node spacing so looks to be a good yielder. It has handled our 100+ degree days w/o any problems, unlike the j. Herer (only minor probs with them) and even took on a Great Dane bending one over flat on the ground! It sprung right back after a bit of temporary splinting and bracing to be the fattest plant in the garden...which btw, includes most of the "hot" seedbank offerings of last year." - Desert Rat (a.k.a. M.G.)

"My head just turned full circle...This shit is good! I have to say to the brothers...Cinders passes the test with flying colours...the effect is very heady and almost hallucinogenic...very much like a potent version of silver pearl... with a smoother, fruitier taste and no nasty tickle at the back of the throat." - Mike

"I can only answer question [HASHTAG]#3[/HASHTAG] (Does it have as strong a sativa high as haze or Durban?)... WAY STRONGER!!! At least the sample of Cinderella 88 I had was. Very tight nugs too! It was grown indoors so I expect the outdoors to be even better (just the way it turns out for me). Very fruity, mellow hitting and easy to take in too much as it has a definite creep to it. The buzz is very sativa-ish and tends to make the mind wonder when trying to find something. But the energy to keep looking is there! I highly recommend it! But keep a bowl of some nice indica nearby to mellow it out! All above is strictly MHO and based on MY experience." - dead man talking a.k.a. M.G.

"The only person I know who has disliked Soul's weed is BB. Taste is a personal thing but I think we know that politics may have also played a role there. The buds of the ones I'm growing out are dense and sticky. The plants are a little small for my liking and probably won't make the grade, but it is obvious that it is high grade bud." - Vic High

 

[Arty Zan]

Continued from Part 1

"The princess I have smoked was indoor grown by a friend of mine. It is a VERY heavy sativa high bordering on paranoia at times. I found it's best when there's a bowl of a nice indica around to mellow out the edge. 3 tokes do the trick (it creeps up in about 15-20 minutes)! Very nice sweet, fruity flavor and tight nuggets. The plants I have growing outdoors in the hot desert are doing great. They have the typical sativa x-mas tree shape and very hardy. Planted 6 eggs, got 5 plants with 3 being female. It will become a permanent fixture in my garden!" - Desert Rat

"Remember that Cinderella (88) is a Sativa-dominant hybrid, so you can expect it to be a LITTLE "leggy" when grown from seed. However clones from a good mother will stay quite short - I flower 12" clones for 7 weeks in 2-gal containers of organic soil to produce a 2.5' plant which yields about 2 ounces. Yes, "crystal" production is AMAZING...the stalked resin glands appearing on bud leaves as early as 3 weeks of flowering look like white FUR!" - MrSoul

Cinderella 88: This strain is exactly what many people have been asking for. It is a Sativa-dominant strain which grows VERY well indoors, staying short and maturing as rapidly as an Indica, yet maintaining the fruity flavor and clear, soaring cerebral high of the best Sativas. The yield is well above average and her high flower/leaf ratio makes manicuring a breeze. The buds are dense, crystal-covered floral clusters shaped like braided hair. Pistil color ranges from snow white to yellow... these are PRETTY plants.

Flowering: 45-55 days

Height: 100 - 130 cm

Yield: 250 -300 gm/m2

Here you go, this (strains description) sums it up. anything else I could say about it would be irrelevent. it's my product and I am obviously biased, for good reason (it's a killer), we will let unbiased customers speak for our product. It's only been out a short while, so you will have to wait awhile for their opinions. Everyone who grows it will be extremely pleased. The high is truly an UP sativa high. It's so up it gives me the shakes for an hour or so after it, like I drank a whole pot of coffee. please feel free to relate any technical questions to the us at bros_grimm@beer.com. Brothers Grimm

Cinderella 99: This strain may be the "Holy Grail". The result of painstakingly back crossing a VERY RARE female to her male progeny over 3 generations. This hybrid was specifically bred for indoor cultivation. Short statured & heavily branched, this plant grows LONG, dense colas with an EXTREMELY high flower/leaf ratio and OUTRAGEOUS resin production. The breeder has observed a "giant leap" in potency with each progressive generation and, as expected, Cinderella 99 has topped all previous results -her high is heavily influenced by Haze; clear, energetic & devastatingly psychoactive. A plant with all of the above is rare enough, but Cinderella 99 finishes flowering after a scant 50 days of 12/12! Above average yields of crystal covered buds reeking of tropical fruit aromas can be harvested every other month once a mother plant is selected and asexually propagated. One final accolade - preliminary results from the breeder indicate Cinderella 99 will breed true... IMAGINE!

Flowering: 50 days

Height: 100 cm

Yield: 1-2lbs per 1000W lamp

MrSoul on Cinderella: Read up and post something if you want to comment or ask questions... later! Current crop is Jack Herer x Unknown (Nickname - Jack's Heir): Seeds - I bought a 2 gram bag of Jack Herer buds (1996 Cannabis Cup winner) in Amsterdam at "Sensi Smile" coffee shop on Achterburghwal straat. The buds were supposed to be sinsemilla, but I was pleasantly surprised to find about a dozen seeds in the bud. I found the high to be cerebral and energetic, but not too long lasting; the buds appeared almost white due to resin coating. Of the 6 seeds I attempted to germinate, every one was successful and I got a 50% male/female ratio.

Seedlings - Very consistent and uniform in looks and growth pattern (surprising since Jack Herer is a three-way hybrid itself). Rapid growers. Typical internodal spacing for a hybrid. Appearance shows signs of both Indica and Sativa heritage. Large, broad-bladed leaves, but lighter green in color than typical Indica. Somewhere in between stature.

Mother plants (J1 and J3) - Grow vigorously and bushy. J1 is the hardiest looking of the two females.

Father plants (J2 and J4) - Grow vigorously and bushy. J4 is the hardiest looking of the two males (surprisingly, this J4 grew from a seed I'd characterize as a "runt", about half the size of his siblings' seeds). Unfortunately all clones of J4 were lost and I have only a "decent" supply of pollen from his flowers.

Clones - Very quick to root (10-14 days) with a success rate of 90 to 100%. Several small, poorly rooted clones eventually came around and flowered nicely. Rooting occurs independent of the method used; RW cubes with pH 6 or 5.8, Rootone or not, seems to make little difference.

Flowering - Once rooted, the RW cube is buried up to its top in a 6 inch round pot of 50% perlite 50% Hyponex Professional Soil Mix, fertilized initially with Miracle Grow 15-30-15 at 1/2 tsp. per gallon of pH 6.5 water. Once looking well at 12cm tall, flowering is begun with a 12hr light/dark cycle. During the first week they "shoot" up 30 to 50cm with large fan leaves but suddenly look over-fertilized (Miracle Grow has urea-based nitrogen) with curling at the tips of the leaves. They respond virtually overnight to a good, thorough leaching with plain water, then they take on a dark green color and start to "bud out" rather than get taller. After the first week of flowering, feeding is switched to Schultz's Bloom 10-60-10 at 1/2 tsp. per gal of pH 6.5 water; I soak the pots and wait a couple days until they get light weight before the next good soaking. Flowers appear Sativa-like and extremely resinous, except that they continue to get progressively fatter and denser, much heavier buds than the Jack Herer itself. I would guess that the father of the seeds was a skunk or similar strain, since the calyx to leaf ratio is so high; the flowers just keep sprouting out in all directions from the bud with only tiny, resin coated leaflets interspersed between flower clusters. The leaves, all but the fan leaves, are covered in stalked resin glands from base to tip. Sample smoking of immature buds which were culled (tried to flower them in RW cubes but they died) after two or three weeks of flowering proved to have a sweet, skunky taste and produced a very "happy" high, not at all paranoia-inducing. The finished product should be excellent. Currently, I have several healthy, rapidly budding clones which are in their third week of flowering and they may well finish before their eighth week. The lowest four branches of one J1 clone were selectively pollinated using the J4 male's pollen and should yield roughly 50 seeds. My hope is that these seeds will produce plants with a great variety of fine characteristics. The outstanding gene pool should ensure that, inbreeding concerns aside. Then I'll have a great breeding project: trying to select individuals for future crosses which will incorporate the best characteristics of that diverse group.

Mr Soul's Princess .75

Written by Mr Soul and edited by Vic High

1. Princess was obtained from growing out seeds found in buds of Jack Herer which was purchased in Amsterdam at the "Sensi-Smile" coffee shop, an authorized outlet of Sensi Seed Bank. Thus, it is considered to be an f2 generation Jack Herer. The seeds were found only in the deepest part of the buds indicating that the father was an unusually early-maturing Jack Herer that the growers missed at first.

2. Princess smells very much like pineapple both during flowering and when dried, but there's this "evil" scent in it too, like rotting meat, which has been linked with the most devastating weed (notably the Durban/Thai hybrid from SSSC, years ago). The taste is connoisseur quality when it's cured; VERY fruity. The high is almost too intense for a lot of people; Dr. Atomic actually refused to smoke any on our second meeting, after getting rather "hazed and confused" on the first sampling we did together a couple of weeks before, so he decided to try Shiva Skunk and found that more mellow and to his liking. Two hits of Princess will induce your body to tremble involuntarily and your heart to race and paranoid thoughts... very much like Haze, but not quite as intense. It also has a "creeper" quality that makes it easy to over-indulge...you get progressively higher during the first 10 minutes after smoking. Look at the May '98 issue of High Times' centerfold and find "Yellow Cab"...that's EXACTLY what the finished Princess buds look like. The "frosting" of stalked, capitate trichomes on the flowers and smaller leaves gives them a "furry" appearance much like Haze.

3. Princess grow vigorously, and is rapidly-maturing... 6 to 7 weeks of 12/12. It feeds heavily and requires about 50% stronger nutrient solution than an Indica does. It stays short, for a Sativa-dominant strain, and finishes at about 3 ft indoors. The yield from such a plant is about 20 grams.

4. Mr Soul has been "cubing" the clone of Princess so the seedline will be Princess. The father is Shiva Skunk. He is currently growing out Princess.75 to obtain males for the creation of Princess.88. Seeds of the 0.88 generation will be ready by mid-July and should produce excellent plants, albeit not perfectly stable yet...but nearly. He plans to back-cross once more after that to arrive at 0.94 Princess genetics, which should be a stable, true-breeding seedline with females "replicating" Princess reliably.

5. This strain is exactly what most people believe doesn't exist; a Sativa which grows VERY well indoors, stays short, and matures as rapidly as an Indica (faster than many), and has the great KILLER Sativa high/flavor. The yield is fine too. Mr Soul finds that the Indica strains are too leafy/stalky and much goes to waste with them, whereas Princess has an extremely high flower/leaf ratio and therefore almost no waste.

Allow me to explain. Jack Herer is an unstable strain bred from an unequal combination of Sk#1, NL#5, and Haze. Crossing a male and female Jack Herer creates an F2 generation which has a HUGE number of possible recombinations of the genes. I grew out some Jack Herer F2's and discovered a SPECIAL one, "Princess", which has many improvements on the original JH such as a shorter flowering time, denser bud structure and pineapple scent/flavour. I have been continually back crossing Princess with her male offspring (generation after generation) which eventually creates a stabilized strain having her special characteristics found reliably in most females grown from those seeds. Each generation is composed of a 50% genetic contribution from Princess (since she's the seed parent) and a 50% contribution from the pollen parent (which also has an increasing percentage of Princess' genetics with each generation). The progression goes: P.50, P.75, P.88, P.94, and P.97...at that point it's considered stabilized (a male and female P.97 can be crossed and the offspring are essentially the same as the parents). I have been VERY pleased with the way this project is going; even the P.75 generation was rather stable in the sense that the individuals were all rather uniform and HIGH quality. The P.88 seeds are available now, and the P.94 will be available around Christmas time. So, you see, since I have combined genes from Sk#1, NL#5, and Haze, creating a plant which has characteristics distinctly different than Jack Herer, and I'm creating a stable strain from this plant... it's legitimately MY work. MrSoul

"Princess" is a female which resulted from a seed found in a Jack Herer bud I bought in Amsterdam near the Sensi Seed Bank at "Coffeeshop Sensi Smile". The bud came in a 2gm cello-pack with the Sensi logo; I expected sinsemilla, but it had about 10 seeds so I assume she's an F2 JH. Her characteristics were so fine I wanted to create seeds that would "replicate" this plant. She has the KILLER Haze-influenced high with the most DELICIOUS pineapple/evil scent, 50 day maturation in 12/12, and incredible resin production, doesn't stretch - yet clearly Sativa-dominant! Last but not least: Never a hint of hermaphrodism after 2 years of cloning & many different styles of grow. I wanted to "cube" Princess but add a little beef to her branches because the buds were always too heavy at harvest and branches needed staking to keep from flopping over. I crossed my ShivaSkunk female with one of the males from the same group of seeds that Princess came from. THIS cross produced a male which was then crossed to Princess, creating "P.50" (using a shorthand notation I developed to indicate the fraction of Princess genes in the cross). Each generation is the result of crossing a male from the previous generation to Princess herself (incestuous, I know). Blow-by-blow description of the generations:

P.50 = Heavy, single-cola type plants with mellow high (too much influence from the ShivaSkunk) Sweet fruity scent/flavour. Unstable in most traits - for example, 10 days difference in fastest/slowest maturation period in a group of 20 seedlings.

P.75 = Plants leaning MUCH more in the direction of Princess in floral cluster and bud structure, scent/flavour turned more "tropical" like pineapple. The stability was becoming better - two major phenotypes; short & dense (potent too) or tall/HUGE (Not so potent).

P.88 = Renamed Cinderella 88 when first released on the market. It grows fast and produces excellent yields of FROSTY buds in 7 weeks! Generally uniform seedlings with minor differences in floral formation and some height variance, but the smoke is quite consistent from all plants - Dense, heavy nuggets of fruity scented & flavoured (like wild berries) and covered in resin glands, the dried buds have distinctly ORANGE pistils. And now P.94 = Cinderella 99. This project has been a huge success. The strain has been embraced by the "net"work of growers with rave reviews. The Bros Grimm too have been recognized for their excellent combination of quality products and unparalleled service after the sale. There's NO OTHER seed bank that has it's breeders on the net answering questions from "newbies" 40 hours/week, and the info is first-rate; even details of their breeding strategies are openly discussed so that the seed buyer can feel well-informed about the products BG offer. I personally think the plants these Cinderella 99 seeds produce are every bit as good as a cutting from Princess herself (or better). I say better because the flavour of no two plants is "identical"; there's a personality to all living things. Like Princess herself, Cinderella is sweet & fruity to the palette and nose, and when you take a hit you're BLASTED...with the same "racy" high as Princess! The improvement comes in the yield department; 25% greater yield and a stronger branch structure, which I accomplished by starting with some ShivaSkunk genes in the original father in the cubing process. I knew I'd blend out the majority of the traits from ShivaSkunk in the cubing process, but I was hoping to incorporate the ShivaSkunk's stronger branches because Princess had a tendency to need supports in the final two weeks of flowering. As it turns out, I got lucky and it worked. The name suits the strain IMO -it's a true "Cinderella Story". MrSoul

(How good is Cinderella?) It's short, FAST, RESINOUS and HEAVY - the buds are definitely ready @ 7 weeks just as advertised. My yields are well above a pound per 1000W lamp. I grow in 2 gallon pots of organic soil and each 2.5-foot-tall plant produces from 1.5 to 4 ounces depending on how it's pruned (Single Cola vs. Bush). I usually mix some "bushes" and some "single cola" clones to make up a crop. This method yields about 1.5 ounces per square foot, but that's less than the maximum possible. The resin production is FANTASTIC... looks like the photos of White Widow, but the high is much more cerebral. The flavour is SWEET! My flowering room smells like a fruit stand after the first 3 weeks of 12/12. I've found that the C-88 females are all excellent but there's always one or two BEST. The C-99 females are more uniform - each one's like the BEST of the C-88's. This makes sense when you recognize that C-99 is the result of back crossing C-88 to "Princess". I should be able to report on how "true breeding" Cinderella 99 is sometime this Summer when I've tested enough of them. MrSoul

Remember that Cinderella is a Sativa-dominant hybrid, so you can expect it to be a LITTLE "leggy" when grown from seed. However clones from a good mother will stay quite short - I flower 12" clones for 7 weeks in 2-gal containers of organic soil to produce a 2.5' plant which yields about 2 ounces. Yes, "crystal" production is AMAZING...the stalked resin glands appearing on bud leaves as early as 3 weeks of flowering look like white FUR! SOG Methods produce plants which yield about a quarter ounce each, in most cases I never advocate more than one plant per square foot. A plant such as I described requires more like 2 square feet. So four such plants would FIT in your 3'x3' area but using a 400W lamp means a MUCH smaller yield - my data is for growing under a 1000W. Many people forget that yield is HEAVILY dependant on lighting used. Topping/pruning the plants to four main colas has optimized yield/plant for me -keep the number of branches on each plant down to 4-6 for best results. MrSoul

I'd personally advise you to "top" the C-99's at their 4th branch set (about 3-4 weeks old) then when the branches grow to be about a foot long (about 6-8 weeks old) you should flower them. You'll know which plants are female BEFORE you ever switch the light cycle to 12/12. Cinderella plants always show preflowers at the 5-7 branch sets during the VEGETATIVE stage... when they're a little over a month old. Mr Soul

I get my best yield by pruning the plants to 2 main colas. I compared single-cola, double-cola, quadruple-cola & mulitiple-cola "bushes" to elavuate their yield per area. I found that the bushes could yield as much as 5 ounces but took up the same space as 4 single-cola plants, which yield about 1.5 ounces each. The double-cola plants yield 2 ounces each and take up the SAME space as a single-cola plant. The 4-cola plants took up about 1.5 times the space, but didn't yield enough to make up for it. ALSO... the colas are MUCH more impressive on the single & double cola plants! I just realized I forgot to answer parts of your question in my "excitement". 1. Flowering time was 7 weeks of 12/12. 2. Flowered at 2 feet tall & finished at 3 feet tall. MrSoul

 

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4 colas per plant to be optimal. Sly


It will help pack on the resin glands if you let her sit in the dark for 2-3 days and let the soil dry out before cutting her down. Kinda like making go back to scrubbing floors for a few days until the Prince comes 'round with the glass slipper...LOL! MrSoul


I'm just finishing a crop of Cinderella 88 and from 7 plants there are 6 that are virtually identical. They are 3 foot tall plants grown from seed with 8 weeks of 18/6 veg and now 6 weeks into 12/12 (no more than 10 days to go). Each plant is BRISTLING with resin and their colas are the size of 2 beer cans taped together lengthwise. The high from this strain is decidedly "Sativa" with a great charge of energy and much thought provocation. The "odd" seventh plant is equally resinous as the others but skinny compared to them, so my advice is to keep the shorter plants that result from a batch of seeds and you'll be VERY happy. See the link for a description...but expect higher yields than claimed. MrSoul


You say Cinderella 88 and Apollo have been vegging for 46 days and you don't yet know their sex?... that's because you haven't LOOKED! Look carefully at the internodes above the first 4-6 branch sites & you'll see preflowers that will be either male (football shaped pods) or female (pear-shaped with two white pistils sticking out like a peace sign). These will tell you the gender of all the plants at their present stage of development. There won't be any plants which have BOTH... I've never gotten a hermaphrodite. DO NOT switch the lights to 12/12 and back again...it's a waste of time and a source of stress to the plants. Just take a clone from each female and any males you want to use for breeding BEFORE you go to flowering. Keep the clones in vegetative state under fluorescents while the flowering crop is going. About 3 weeks before the flowering plants are finished, the clones will be rooted and have grown enough to take a couple clones from each clone -These clones will be your next crop! At 18" tall, the seedlings are ALREADY big enough to flower; you'll probably get a few Cinderellas that go over 3 feet tall; the Apollos will be even taller...but still under 4 feet. The two strains have the same father, but different mothers. Crossing Cinderella and Apollo will be interesting... you'll get good plants, but a bit of variety... some will grow compact and dense & smell sweet & fruity like Cinderella and some will be big lemony/spicey monsters like Apollo. Probably lots of "mixed" phenotypes as well. I'm SURE you'll enjoy growing them & the produce will BLOW YOU AWAY! MrSoul


I ALWAYS see preflowers between the age of 4 and 6 weeks. Node 6 is commonly where they start, so I'd say you're probably seeing them. The plants that show first are usually males. Look over each plant carefully, using a loupe. If you see a preflower at such an early age, it'll most likely be male, but be SURE before culling it. If you can't find a preflower on a plant, while most of the others HAVE shown... it's most likely a female. Isn't that uniformity NICE? Cinderella 99 is a STABLE strain. Cinderella 88 was close, but this generation is there. MrSoul


(Cinderella needs odor control?) I don't know if it helps you, but the scent is very sweet & fruity. It won't "fool" anyone who's familiar with MJ, but the average person might not recognize the scent as pot. They start to smell after 3 weeks of 12/12 and they're harvested 4 weeks later, so the SHORT flowering cycle helps a bit by lessening the amount of time your garden "stinks". Yields are highly dependant on the methods used. Pruning style and number of plants/area make a BIG difference. I get about 2 lbs every 50 days under 2kW. I grow a combination of bushes & single-cola clones (about 12-20 of 'em) in 2 gallon pots of organic soil, feeding them "teas" of dissolved worm castings, PSG, high phosphorus bat guano and kelp meal. My yields are average at best. Professional growers write me saying they get 2lbs/kW, which I'm sure is true. MrSoul


The scent given off by Cinderella is NOT the typical "pot stench"...not at all skunky -she's sweet & fruity. Someone passing by the flowering room MIGHT not recognize the scent as pot & mistake it for tropical flowers. When you rub the resin you can definitely smell it. C-99 is more "psychedelic"... I think that's what you're looking for eh? Just be sure to smoke a LITTLE, wait 10 minutes, then think about whether or not you need any more...it's easy to over-indulge & become paranoid.


MrSoul

Haze is my favourite high. Very "trippy" C-99 is has more of the Haze type of high because the mother (Princess), has that kind of high and each time I back-cross to her the next generation gets a bit more of it. Smoking PURE Princess buds is a bit scary... it's too "speedy" and paranoia-inducing for most people. But she's so RESINOUS (see photo) and her flavour is just so delicious and fruity that I knew back-crossing her to her offspring over several generations would create a strain which is actually BETTER than the original mother in terms of a more PLEASING high. It was successful beyond my expectations.

The progression I went through was:

P.50 = Princess/(ShivaSkunk/Princess'Brother)

P.75 = Princess/P.50

Cinderella 88 = Princess/P.75

Cinderella 99 = Princess/Cinderella 88

Each generation exhibited a MAJOR jump in potency: P.50 was rather mellow, P.75 has a well-balanced body/mind high with a citrus flavour, Cinderella 88 is cerebral & paralyzing with a tropical fruit flavour, and Cinderella 99 is "TRIP WEED" with more of the fruity flavour and speedy effect from Princess. MrSoul

C-99 will be a bigger yielder and faster finisher (than D/T) - which I personally think makes more sense to begin a grow with. If you're growing under 1000W lamps, you should easily get a pound of C-99 per lamp after a 7 week flowering period. When you have all the weed you need and can take your time waiting for a long-flowering Sativa, THEN start those "extra" beans (included in your order)... I don't know what the Bros Grimm sent you, but it's NOT Durban/Thai. I'm still developing it, so they won't see it for about 6 months. MrSoul

Thanks for noticing her -she IS beautiful! Cafe'Girl is a sister of "Princess" - Princess is the mother of the Cinderella series. Cafe'Girl smells like a combination of ginger, orange and cream... kinda smells like a "Creamsicle" -you know those ice cream bars? She has the highest YIELD of the 3 Sisters (Princess, Genius and Cafe'Girl). Cafe'Girl makes HUGE, DENSE, SPARKLING buds with a lovely high. A really sweet high, in that you never feel paranoid & it continues to "creep up" over the first 15 minutes after you smoke, leaving you feeling warm and at peace with life. Bros Grimm may offer an hybrid of Cafe'Girl when enough testing of her offspring has been completed. MrSoul

Sure, I'd be glad to answer your q's:

1. I flower clones when they're about a foot tall & they double in height during flowering.

2. They clone SUPER EASY.

3. Crossing Cindy 88's will you a variety of phenotypes... they're not stable. Cindy 99 IS STABLE.

4. The seeds are small, tan in colour and "speckled" not striped. If you ordered from either Bros.Grimm or Heaven's Stairway you WON'T get ripped off...but I'll describe the plants: As seedlings they're fast-growing, Indica-dominant with fairly wide leaves. They show preflowers @ 5-6 weeks old WITHOUT FAIL. They NEVER herm, so if the preflowers have pistils, it's FEMALE forever. They flower RAPIDLY - you probably won't believe how fat and dense and frosty they'll be @ 4-5 weeks 12/12. The flower/leaf is EXTREMELY high; the tops of the colas go NUTS at about 5 weeks into flowering, sending braid-like floral cluster projections out in all directions without any leaves. Just before that happens, hundreds of SNOW WHITE pistils make the tip of the colas look like they're wearing fur caps! The resin production is HEAVY (again, you won't believe it), a HEAVENLY scent of tropical fruit & berries begins to fill the room @ 3 weeks of 12/12 and just keeps getting more overpowering 'til they're done. The finished smoke is the type of high that keeps you UP; it's very cerebral - the only body effect is the "jitters". I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone looking to "mellow out" on the sofa, BUT if you wanted to smoke before going running or cycling - PERFECT! I smoked C-88 one eve after trying Silver Haze and the C-88 buzz cut RIGHT THROUGH the high of the Haze so badly that my wife asked me, "what did you do?... smoke too much?" The flavour is just like the scent; fruity & sweet...not at all hashy (not that there's anything WRONG with that!...heehee. MrSoul

Outdoors, Apollo 13 and Cinderella 88 will finish before October 15th at 43 degrees north lattitude. MrSoul

If you liked NL#5/Haze, you'll like C-99 too. It's got a sweet, fruity taste and some of that "paranoia inducing" effect, very cerebral and speedy. The major advantages of C-99 over the old Haze x NL#5 from the original Seed Bank are rapid maturation & bigger yield. The highs and flavours are "different" but in the same class. MrSoul

If it's Fruit Punch that you want, you should check out Cinderella 88. I've smoked the mother that this is the backcross of, and YEEEEHAW she kicks ass. The smell is very similar to the Hawaiian... think back to when you (ok I) was a kid... remember Bubbalicious? Or Hubba Bubba chewing gum? Think about the tropical fruit flavor, and there ya go -- that's what it smells like... A sickly sweet fruit punch gum, a little undertone of "stink" to go with it. A first class high too... (Not to turn this into an advertisement, just a recommendation, but I've personally tried this strain and it will do it for you just like the Hawaiian). ~shabang~

I'm kinda trying for either Kali Mist or their Himalayan Gold, essentially I'm looking for a badass sativa high that I can grow manageably indoors. -See if you can get Cinderella 88 from Mike at Weedseed. I've personally tried this smoke and it is the best, most lucid sativa high you could ask for. The breeder put alot of time and talent into this one! Kumquat

Stoney, get your grubby lil hands on some Cinderella 88 from mike at Weedseed.com You will not be sorry, but it might get you too high! The buds are dense and saturated with crystals making it appear white. The aroma of these cured buds is fruity, like a ripe pineapple. Hits from a pipe super smooth. I only smoke 5 or 6 calyx flowers per session. I know one local friend who will attempt 3 or 4 hits, but later on he's got 2 cigarettes lit in his mouth and he doesn't even know it! This bud is getting rave reviews from some of the professionals at cannabis.com and a few other private places. Kumquat

I have not grown this weed, rather some nice size nugs were donated to me for evaluation purposes. I have actually designed a special mini-hitter pipe just for this breed. I only smoke it 5 or 6 calyxes at a time, that's why I came up with my special tool. I find that black cherry wood hits the smoothest. Would the Bros Grimm like to include this special hitter with every seed order? Kumquat

If you are looking for a very very good sativa buzz, get some Cinderella99 or 88 seeds! otherwise you're prolly better off trading with people and doing your own breeding and growouts of seedstock, looking for the perfect mom(s). Try smoke testing males before breeding them. Try not to rely on just one male to do all the work. Use the top 5 or 10% of your males. Combine their pollens and use that on your honeys. Kumquat

kumquat- you designed a special pipe for it LOL send me a little info to the above addy, thanks. it really is a one hit wonder. it's also a creeper. people, myself included, have a tendency to smoke several hits because it's so sweet. 10 minutes later your way too high and completely incapacitated. I'm really looking forward to other peoples results. do you get that same jittery up high? Bros Grimm

My head just turned full circle...This shit is good! I have to say to the brothers... Cinders passess the test with flying colours... the effect is very heady and almost hallucinogenic... very much like a potent version of Silver Pearl... with a smoother, fruitier taste and no nasty tickle at the back of the throat. Mike

Smoked some Princess hahaha swag weed, I smoked some that was sent in seed to someone else I know... he grew it out and asked me my opinion of it... this was even BEFORE I knew it was the "famous" Princess.. well I rated it a 6.5 and that was being very generous... the buds did not form tight... it looked like your basic swag... and a waste of time. What else can I say about it... grow it yourself and find out. Bongblaster

Well I have smoked both Souls and Vics stuff. I wasnt too impressed with Souls (nothing against Soul here, just the way I see it) it could have been the conditions it was grown under but for me it didnt have the potency, they required a high lumen count as compared to Vics which did very well under low light conditions. Vic has let me sample some really deadly herbs that hes done, some have been so so but on the majority all have been something I would grow, commercially or as a closet operation. Bongblaster

ya I tasted this same stuff bong is reffering to when soul was down, I personally couldnt believe it merited an 8.5, I would have said a 5 or 6, really gorgeus stuff from the photographs I saw, but the strength and flavour was seriously lacking, id be interested to see what souls stuff tastes like now that hes switched to organics, because my main complaint about it was the harsh chemical taste im not positive if it was simply his technique, or bad genetics, but I was thouraghly unimpressed. Darkstar

The only person I know who has disliked Soul's weed is BB. Taste is a personal thing but I think we know that politics may have also played a role there. The buds of the ones I'm growing out are dense and sticky. The plants are a little small for my liking and probably won't make the grade, but it is obvious that it is high grade bud. Vic High

 

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Haze is my favourite high. Very "trippy" C-99 is has more of the Haze type of high because the mother (Princess), has that kind of high and each time I back-cross to her the next generation gets a bit more of it. Smoking PURE Princess buds is a bit scary... it's too "speedy" and paranoia-inducing for most people. But she's so RESINOUS (see photo) and her flavour is just so delicious and fruity that I knew back-crossing her to her offspring over several generations would create a strain which is actually BETTER than the original mother in terms of a more PLEASING high. It was successful beyond my expectations.

The progression I went through was:

P.50 = Princess/(ShivaSkunk/Princess'Brother)

P.75 = Princess/P.50

Cinderella 88 = Princess/P.75

Cinderella 99 = Princess/Cinderella 88

Each generation exhibited a MAJOR jump in potency: P.50 was rather mellow, P.75 has a well-balanced body/mind high with a citrus flavour, Cinderella 88 is cerebral & paralyzing with a tropical fruit flavour, and Cinderella 99 is "TRIP WEED" with more of the fruity flavour and speedy effect from Princess. MrSoul

C-99 will be a bigger yielder and faster finisher (than D/T) - which I personally think makes more sense to begin a grow with. If you're growing under 1000W lamps, you should easily get a pound of C-99 per lamp after a 7 week flowering period. When you have all the weed you need and can take your time waiting for a long-flowering Sativa, THEN start those "extra" beans (included in your order)... I don't know what the Bros Grimm sent you, but it's NOT Durban/Thai. I'm still developing it, so they won't see it for about 6 months. MrSoul

Thanks for noticing her -she IS beautiful! Cafe'Girl is a sister of "Princess" - Princess is the mother of the Cinderella series. Cafe'Girl smells like a combination of ginger, orange and cream... kinda smells like a "Creamsicle" -you know those ice cream bars? She has the highest YIELD of the 3 Sisters (Princess, Genius and Cafe'Girl). Cafe'Girl makes HUGE, DENSE, SPARKLING buds with a lovely high. A really sweet high, in that you never feel paranoid & it continues to "creep up" over the first 15 minutes after you smoke, leaving you feeling warm and at peace with life. Bros Grimm may offer an hybrid of Cafe'Girl when enough testing of her offspring has been completed. MrSoul

Sure, I'd be glad to answer your q's:

1. I flower clones when they're about a foot tall & they double in height during flowering.

2. They clone SUPER EASY.

3. Crossing Cindy 88's will you a variety of phenotypes... they're not stable. Cindy 99 IS STABLE.

4. The seeds are small, tan in colour and "speckled" not striped. If you ordered from either Bros.Grimm or Heaven's Stairway you WON'T get ripped off...but I'll describe the plants: As seedlings they're fast-growing, Indica-dominant with fairly wide leaves. They show preflowers @ 5-6 weeks old WITHOUT FAIL. They NEVER herm, so if the preflowers have pistils, it's FEMALE forever. They flower RAPIDLY - you probably won't believe how fat and dense and frosty they'll be @ 4-5 weeks 12/12. The flower/leaf is EXTREMELY high; the tops of the colas go NUTS at about 5 weeks into flowering, sending braid-like floral cluster projections out in all directions without any leaves. Just before that happens, hundreds of SNOW WHITE pistils make the tip of the colas look like they're wearing fur caps! The resin production is HEAVY (again, you won't believe it), a HEAVENLY scent of tropical fruit & berries begins to fill the room @ 3 weeks of 12/12 and just keeps getting more overpowering 'til they're done. The finished smoke is the type of high that keeps you UP; it's very cerebral - the only body effect is the "jitters". I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone looking to "mellow out" on the sofa, BUT if you wanted to smoke before going running or cycling - PERFECT! I smoked C-88 one eve after trying Silver Haze and the C-88 buzz cut RIGHT THROUGH the high of the Haze so badly that my wife asked me, "what did you do?... smoke too much?" The flavour is just like the scent; fruity & sweet...not at all hashy (not that there's anything WRONG with that!...heehee. MrSoul

Outdoors, Apollo 13 and Cinderella 88 will finish before October 15th at 43 degrees north lattitude. MrSoul

If you liked NL#5/Haze, you'll like C-99 too. It's got a sweet, fruity taste and some of that "paranoia inducing" effect, very cerebral and speedy. The major advantages of C-99 over the old Haze x NL#5 from the original Seed Bank are rapid maturation & bigger yield. The highs and flavours are "different" but in the same class. MrSoul

If it's Fruit Punch that you want, you should check out Cinderella 88. I've smoked the mother that this is the backcross of, and YEEEEHAW she kicks ass. The smell is very similar to the Hawaiian... think back to when you (ok I) was a kid... remember Bubbalicious? Or Hubba Bubba chewing gum? Think about the tropical fruit flavor, and there ya go -- that's what it smells like... A sickly sweet fruit punch gum, a little undertone of "stink" to go with it. A first class high too... (Not to turn this into an advertisement, just a recommendation, but I've personally tried this strain and it will do it for you just like the Hawaiian). ~shabang~

I'm kinda trying for either Kali Mist or their Himalayan Gold, essentially I'm looking for a badass sativa high that I can grow manageably indoors. -See if you can get Cinderella 88 from Mike at Weedseed. I've personally tried this smoke and it is the best, most lucid sativa high you could ask for. The breeder put alot of time and talent into this one! Kumquat

Stoney, get your grubby lil hands on some Cinderella 88 from mike at Weedseed.com You will not be sorry, but it might get you too high! The buds are dense and saturated with crystals making it appear white. The aroma of these cured buds is fruity, like a ripe pineapple. Hits from a pipe super smooth. I only smoke 5 or 6 calyx flowers per session. I know one local friend who will attempt 3 or 4 hits, but later on he's got 2 cigarettes lit in his mouth and he doesn't even know it! This bud is getting rave reviews from some of the professionals at cannabis.com and a few other private places. Kumquat

I have not grown this weed, rather some nice size nugs were donated to me for evaluation purposes. I have actually designed a special mini-hitter pipe just for this breed. I only smoke it 5 or 6 calyxes at a time, that's why I came up with my special tool. I find that black cherry wood hits the smoothest. Would the Bros Grimm like to include this special hitter with every seed order? Kumquat

If you are looking for a very very good sativa buzz, get some Cinderella99 or 88 seeds! otherwise you're prolly better off trading with people and doing your own breeding and growouts of seedstock, looking for the perfect mom(s). Try smoke testing males before breeding them. Try not to rely on just one male to do all the work. Use the top 5 or 10% of your males. Combine their pollens and use that on your honeys. Kumquat

kumquat- you designed a special pipe for it LOL send me a little info to the above addy, thanks. it really is a one hit wonder. it's also a creeper. people, myself included, have a tendency to smoke several hits because it's so sweet. 10 minutes later your way too high and completely incapacitated. I'm really looking forward to other peoples results. do you get that same jittery up high? Bros Grimm

My head just turned full circle...This shit is good! I have to say to the brothers... Cinders passess the test with flying colours... the effect is very heady and almost hallucinogenic... very much like a potent version of Silver Pearl... with a smoother, fruitier taste and no nasty tickle at the back of the throat. Mike

Smoked some Princess hahaha swag weed, I smoked some that was sent in seed to someone else I know... he grew it out and asked me my opinion of it... this was even BEFORE I knew it was the "famous" Princess.. well I rated it a 6.5 and that was being very generous... the buds did not form tight... it looked like your basic swag... and a waste of time. What else can I say about it... grow it yourself and find out. Bongblaster

Well I have smoked both Souls and Vics stuff. I wasnt too impressed with Souls (nothing against Soul here, just the way I see it) it could have been the conditions it was grown under but for me it didnt have the potency, they required a high lumen count as compared to Vics which did very well under low light conditions. Vic has let me sample some really deadly herbs that hes done, some have been so so but on the majority all have been something I would grow, commercially or as a closet operation. Bongblaster

ya I tasted this same stuff bong is reffering to when soul was down, I personally couldnt believe it merited an 8.5, I would have said a 5 or 6, really gorgeus stuff from the photographs I saw, but the strength and flavour was seriously lacking, id be interested to see what souls stuff tastes like now that hes switched to organics, because my main complaint about it was the harsh chemical taste im not positive if it was simply his technique, or bad genetics, but I was thouraghly unimpressed. Darkstar

The only person I know who has disliked Soul's weed is BB. Taste is a personal thing but I think we know that politics may have also played a role there. The buds of the ones I'm growing out are dense and sticky. The plants are a little small for my liking and probably won't make the grade, but it is obvious that it is high grade bud. Vic High