Mephisto Genetics The elephant in the supersoil room

[Scribble420]

Isn't Wonder Soil organic? It's coco coir and is supposed to feed for up to 4 months. I never tried it but it may be an option. Might even work in autopots?

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Not sure what wonder soil is. These are the same claims that most pre charged media’s claim. However, cannabis is a very demanding plant and most don’t make it that far. Maybe it is the answer, but I have my doubts.

Unfortunately, marketing to cannabis growers has been troublesome... so many claims and guarantees that never come to fruition. It’s a chore, but a chore of love for those like me, to decipher all the BS from the real deal.

 

[Rogue Chief]

Great info rogue. I’m trying to bridge the gap between hardcore organic and convenience. I use recharge to substitute for teas. I’m trying to make the system water only for the most part. Foliars, teas, etc are great, don’t get me wrong. But, some of us don’t have the time, space, etc to do all of that. I like the idea of fresh mulch breaking down and cycling into the media. Cover crop of clovers works well I hear too.

It doesn't take any extra time mixing a couple TBS of meal amendments into water the day before you water than mixing recharge or mammoth p into water. Do you have to check the PH of your tea before you water? That is something that I don't have to spend any time doing. It may seem like a lot, but when you have everything up and running it doesn't take any more time than any other method. Feed the soil and it will feed the plants.

If you truly want to do water only, it seems the best way is to plant outdoors, in the ground, in a really humus rich location. Autos and similar plants in general that are in smaller pots just take more effort to maintain their soil biology.

 

[Scribble420]

It doesn't take any extra time mixing a couple TBS of meal amendments into water the day before you water than mixing recharge or mammoth p into water. Do you have to check the PH of your tea before you water? That is something that I don't have to spend any time doing. It may seem like a lot, but when you have everything up and running it doesn't take any more time than any other method. Feed the soil and it will feed the plants.

If you truly want to do water only, it seems the best way is to plant outdoors, in the ground, in a really humus rich location. Autos and similar plants in general that are in smaller pots just take more effort to maintain their soil biology.

No, the recharge will allow for a much wider range of ph levels, just like a tea. You make a great point though, don’t you have to aerate the tea for 24 hours or more with an air stone? Wouldn’t be that difficult. Maybe when I use up the recharge I’ll give tea a shot.

Outdoors is not a possibility unless I went guerilla. Not legal outdoors here.

Thanks for sharing.

 

[slowandeasy]

I don’t see why coco can’t be used as a filler. Roots organic is a coco blend. I’ve used coco loco with kind soil and had ok results. Still needed more food though.


Great info rogue. I’m trying to bridge the gap between hardcore organic and convenience. I use recharge to substitute for teas. I’m trying to make the system water only for the most part. Foliars, teas, etc are great, don’t get me wrong. But, some of us don’t have the time, space, etc to do all of that. I like the idea of fresh mulch breaking down and cycling into the media. Cover crop of clovers works well I hear too.


That’s great that you got a good kind soil run. Most of us didn’t. Maybe yours was better than ours. I always questioned the consistency of the product. KIS does indeed have some great products. Tad is a smart guy and his podcast is full of organic goodness. I encourage everyone to check it out. The cannabis cultivation and science podcast. I know water only can be done by cooking your own soil with a coots type recipe, but once again, trying to make it convenient. I’m wondering if the two are polar opposites... you get what you put in, right?

I didn't say using it as a filler. Straight Coco and Super Soil does not work well for full grow cycle.

 

[STILLSMOKIN]

There has to be some form of nutrient cycling occurring. Sounds like your microbes are happy and healthy, breaking down the matter in the soil. It won’t last forever though, law of return reigns supreme.

I have been feeding megacrop on that since about day 15 or so this go and having problems with ph so my opinion dont reuse soil. Just had to try.

This just goes to show, everyone seems to have a different way, a different answer for my questions. I realize there’s more than one way to skin the proverbial cat but I’m looking for the standards... the one thing everyone has in common. The only thing I’m seeing so far is a nice fluffy media with plenty of aeration and some form of fuel for the plants. I suppose it’s all about what works for you and your environment.

I will returning to the foray of organic gardening again with more knowledge and an eagerness to observe and learn.

Hoping to give another gardener out there some knowledge and inspiration to do the same.

Thanks everyone, keep the information and experience flowing!

 

[Rogue Chief]

No, the recharge will allow for a much wider range of ph levels, just like a tea. You make a great point though, don’t you have to aerate the tea for 24 hours or more with an air stone? Wouldn’t be that difficult. Maybe when I use up the recharge I’ll give tea a shot.

Outdoors is not a possibility unless I went guerilla. Not legal outdoors here.

Thanks for sharing.

I used to aerate my teas, now I don't. It is a lot less work and I seem to get the same results. I usually use a paint strainer as the "tea bag" and feed the spent amendments to the worm bin.

 

[Scribble420]

I didn't say using it as a filler. Straight Coco and Super Soil does not work well for full grow cycle.

I see. Agreed, straight coco is basically hydro with a buffer. Coco blends seem to work well with the supersoil though. Thanks Slowandeasy

 

[Scribble420]

I used to aerate my teas, now I don't. It is a lot less work and I seem to get the same results. I usually use a paint strainer as the "tea bag" and feed the spent amendments to the worm bin.

That’s interesting, I always hear most teas should be aerated. Bokashi is the only non aerobic beneficial I can think of, off the top of my head.

 

[AKtack]

I’ve been having great success with supersoil and following the instructions available on this forum. My last grow I went the extra step with worm castings per the instructions. Normally I feed my girls with the tea provided at my local garden shop but I was gone most the time and had to rely on friends to water without that extra. I do know I had stellar results in spite of the absense of tea and having housekeeper doing less than what care I would have given. I wonder “is my Mephisto grow less potent?” I’ll up some for the test but I’ll also want the results to show the purity as far as organics go.
I’m more than happy with my results.
Peace, out.

 

[Stinkybudz]

I love mephisto super soil and have a run with it now, I added around 30-35% work castings and 25-30%perlite to roots organic for the top half and maybe a handful to every half bag that for the super soil dust, using recharge and getting my pH closer to that 6.5-6.8 I could ever so slightly induce some minor tip burn and in a sensitive bloody skunk I got just the tips to turn down from n tox, which I think is phenomenal considering it's water only, I'm 14-21 days from harvest maybe less and it's turning into autumn in there, yellowing up at a very nice paced gradient, no signs of p and k deficiency, am using mammoth p as well, and soon will do a side by side with mannoth p and no mammoth p in mephisto super soil to see if I'll buy another bottle or not. I also have a bottle of big bloom sitting around to maybe mix with the mammoth I'd I did show a p or k deficiency but haven't felt the need, buds are equal to or bigger than last go around anyways