Mephisto Genetics Weird issue with meph seeds.

[BISCUITS]

That’s weird @Bones i have never experienced that. I have had the stalled growth thing a few times and some mutants too. How old are your Delicious girls? I have had my eye on that strain for quite some time and I read on their site that it has been recently improved too. Do they deliver to the ?

 

[automan2]

The mephisto beans I purchased after the 3-20 sale have all been duds. I just had 4 of Stones autos pop that were 5 yrs old but none of mephisto did anything. All were germed the same way in the same promix. In my 13 yrs of growing, I've never had continuous failures as I've had with mephisto.
Doubt I'll waste money on them again.

 

[Blu_tri]

From my observations, and I’m by no means an expert. When I germ a seed, it opens and the first sets of leaves begins the form. From there it moves and developed quickly. Or sometime it looks like it’s just standing there. During the standstills, I notice that it roots are developing slowly. (Clear solo cup). How quickly it develops roots is determined by how hot the soil is and how wet it is. Too much of either slows autos down tremendously. No root growth equal no top growth, they have to both balance out. Autos are very efficient plants you have to learn to manage their efficiency. So I say again, and it’s just from my observations they prefer a light to inert soil. A light organic soil is better. The organic soil provides what the seedling needs in it’s delicate stage. By the 3rd node it should be at the edges of your pot. If not, you know it’s not getting exactly what it needs. Sometimes I grow it slow to let the roots develop more and i still get a decent plant because I’m concentrating on root development, rather than how big I can grow it. There is nothing worse than having a big plant and small buds. So when your plant hasn’t moved for 2 weeks, you have to think that you might be doing something wrong. I kick the stuffing out of my Mephistos in organic soil.... And they still produce. They are tough. But I’m learning to be gentle. And I think it’s paying off. Here is a 63 day girl.

 

[gringuito98]

View attachment 1043921 From my observations, and I’m by no means an expert. When I germ a seed, it opens and the first sets of leaves begins the form. From there it moves and developed quickly. Or sometime it looks like it’s just standing there. During the standstills, I notice that it roots are developing slowly. (Clear solo cup). How quickly it develops roots is determined by how hot the soil is and how wet it is. Too much of either slows autos down tremendously. No root growth equal no top growth, they have to both balance out. Autos are very efficient plants you have to learn to manage their efficiency. So I say again, and it’s just from my observations they prefer a light to inert soil. A light organic soil is better. The organic soil provides what the seedling needs in it’s delicate stage. By the 3rd node it should be at the edges of your pot. If not, you know it’s not getting exactly what it needs. Sometimes I grow it slow to let the roots develop more and i still get a decent plant because I’m concentrating on root development, rather than how big I can grow it. There is nothing worse than having a big plant and small buds. So when your plant hasn’t moved for 2 weeks, you have to think that you might be doing something wrong. I kick the stuffing out of my Mephistos in organic soil.... And they still produce. They are tough. But I’m learning to be gentle. And I think it’s paying off. Here is a 63 day girl.

Well spoken!
When I started to grow autos, I did it the same way I‘ve done it with photos several years ago. The outcome was frustrating. Unfortunately I wasn‘t born with a green thumb and had to learn it the hard way. I wouldn’t say that they are more delicate than photos.... merely different!

Autos, in front @mephisto, are beautiful plants with a high potential in every aspect. Once you have everything dialed in, they are a breeze to grow.

There are a lot of awesome gardeners reporting their grows. Reading their journals is a big help. Never saw a GOOD grower complain about germinating and growth issues or the quality of their genetics because they are outstanding, frankly said.

Take your own conclusion but doesn’t it sound more probably to be a problem of the grower‘s than the breeder‘s skills? Shit can happen and we should not forget that we are dealing with mother nature and not with synthetic staple.

Cheers and happy growing!

 

[BISCUITS]

The ONLY Mephistos that I have EVER had a problem germinating was from a pack that I bought from SeedsHereNow. I think like 80-90% of those seeds failed to pop at all and some that did were just weak and grew very slowly. Out of the whole pack I had one normal healthy plant. All the while the seeds ordered directly from Mephisto have had 100% germ rates going on 6 years this August ( no kidding) and besides my mistakes have all been great plants and some of them are in my all time top 10 strains this ole boy has sampled in his 30+ years of smoking and growing. I grow 75-100% Mephisto strains because They are reliable,low maintenance and always top shelf if grown TLO. They are probably the top auto breeder as far as I am concerned. There are plenty of good breeders but IMVHO Mephisto is currently [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG]

 

[slowandeasy]

The mephisto beans I purchased after the 3-20 sale have all been duds. I just had 4 of Stones autos pop that were 5 yrs old but none of mephisto did anything. All were germed the same way in the same promix. In my 13 yrs of growing, I've never had continuous failures as I've had with mephisto.
Doubt I'll waste money on them again.

I would trust Mephisto beans germing over the Quality of Promix. Promix has been having bad batches more common lately. I literally just did ANOTHER real time seed starting thread. Which beans didn't pop and what is your germ Technique? My seeds soak for 12-24 hrs and plant directly in Coco . They are up in 2 days religiously. Minor changes in temps or moisture levels can also cause failures. I would be happy to help you get your germ rates back up. If you bought directly from Mephisto, otherwise that is a gamble. Good luck

 

[Beach_Town_Brit]

I've been growing Mephisto almost exclusively for a number of years now. My germination rate has typically been in the high 90s percentile. It has been rare for me to have a Mephisto bean not pop. I'm with @BISCUITS that Mephisto is still [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] in the auto game

However, I did recently try to germ 6 mixed seeds of Forgotten Cookies and Deez Nuggs, and only 3 of them popped. These were "fresh" seeds, delivered from the new USA based Mephisto webstore this year. Maybe it was a fluke or user error, but to drop from 98% germ to 50% germ just after they've changed their distribution seems a bit fishy...
Plus I ordered 20 seeds and only got 2 measly slaps! It's free marketing, why be stingy with the slaps?

Hopefully this is a one off, or teething troubles from Mephisto's expansion, but I'm gonna be watching the germ rates of my newly purchased Mephisto beans to see if a trend emerges... At their prices, and my small scale of grow, I just can't afford a 50% germ rate.

Anyone else noticed a significant germ rate drop in newly purchased Mephisto beans, or beans specifically from the new USA distributor?

 

[automan2]

A GOOD grower recognizes... makes slow deliberate changes, observes, makes more changes if needed.
But why change a method and materials that have been giving 95+ % germ on all seeds, even 5 yr old seeds.
My mephisto seeds were supplied from a US site, namely Georgia, immediately upon opening again after 3-20.
After 13 yrs, I'm still no expert but I have ironed out a few methods that always make my grows easy and provide quality meds.
I've just gone through 9 mephisto seeds along with 5 various others of 3 different breeders....all except the mephisto popped and are growing as we speak.
When promix and biobizz are growing all other plants, you've checked variables that can be controlled, it simply boils down to seed problems. It's been easy to isolate a culprit but it doesn't tell you why.
Oh, I'll try mephisto again perhaps and hope I get mature viable seeds like my money expects.

 

[slowandeasy]

A GOOD grower recognizes... makes slow deliberate changes, observes, makes more changes if needed.
But why change a method and materials that have been giving 95+ % germ on all seeds, even 5 yr old seeds.
My mephisto seeds were supplied from a US site, namely Georgia, immediately upon opening again after 3-20.
After 13 yrs, I'm still no expert but I have ironed out a few methods that always make my grows easy and provide quality meds.
I've just gone through 9 mephisto seeds along with 5 various others of 3 different breeders....all except the mephisto popped and are growing as we speak.
When promix and biobizz are growing all other plants, you've checked variables that can be controlled, it simply boils down to seed problems. It's been easy to isolate a culprit but it doesn't tell you why.
Oh, I'll try mephisto again perhaps and hope I get mature viable seeds like my money expects.

If you failed 9 times on Multiple Mephisto strains, it is human error. I can assure you that I have started hundreds of Mephisto seeds and I have only had 1 Strain.. The White Train not germ and they were old. What strains did not Germ for you? What is your germ Technique? Nobody told you to switch, but maybe a small tweak will yield better results. Also, if you didn't buy directly from Mephisto....you could have old stock. Good luck.

 

[Bones]

That’s weird @Bones i have never experienced that. I have had the stalled growth thing a few times and some mutants too. How old are your Delicious girls? I have had my eye on that strain for quite some time and I read on their site that it has been recently improved too. Do they deliver to the ?

@BISCUITS
The Delicious are about day 15 or so as of today. Critical Neville Haze and Auto Dark Blue...Also Ethos Og auto...these are my first autos that are not Mephisto. I ran a bit of Sour Livers and 4 assed monkey over the winter...24k...toof decay...I do buy from a reputable seed reseller but maybe like I said, old stock. Heres a pic of the Neville Haze from a few days ago w no center stem..