Grow Mediums What are your personal veg formulas for Autos and Coco?

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Hello everyone, I just wanted to see what people are having the best success with for starting off Autos. I have started quite a few Autos in the past 2 months, and have tried various nutes and strengths. Plants are either vegged with Flouros or 600w HPS dialed down? I feel like the first few weeks my plants are not perfect like my photo plants are 100% of the time. But as stated I have been experimenting to see what works best. It seems like some of the Autos get a deficiency, mag/cal in veg...but clears up by the time they flower. How much cal-mag is everyone using? I just want a flawless first few weeks, I know flowering will e fine. Obviously other factors come into play, I am just curious as to what is everyone else doing. Thanks for sharing, Slow
 
My coco pre charge = Maxibloom and tap water 6 grams + 5 ml ca-mg+ and root stim per 1 gallon ph is 5.4 as mixed. This flushes the k and na cations and replaces them with ca-mg cations. Something about ca++ mg++ vs k+ na+ double-positive charge vs single...

Maxi is 5-15-14 so little chance of N burn and plenty of P for fast rooting.

Just seems to work Stone Dragon pictured week 3. :pass:

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Thanks for sharing Habitual. I have some MaxiGrow, which some photo plants like a lot. I have never heard of pHing at 5.4. But if it works, that is all that matters. That is your Pre-charge, what is your feeding? The same til flower? Thanks again, Slow
 
Seedling feed is full lucas maxibloom mix diluted back 1:1 with tap water until I see fading out in plant or any sign of a deficiency. Then its full lucas maxibloom not grow with my tap water and ca-mg plus = 7 grams MB + 2.5 ml ca-mg+ per gallon tap water to harvest. I can get away with out ca-mg plus with my tap water but I like the extra N.

I dont ph I just mix, it works out to 5.4. I used to do 5.8-6 and always had issues. One day I found a the following post Take it as you will ...:pass:


Here is a post by "delta9nxs"

“it is a fact that cal mag is necessary for optimum growth. Just ask any commercial or professional grower.”

Well, yes, that's true, but I am a professional grower and I don't use any calcium or magnesium supplements because I don't have to. That's because I use a nutrient that already contains more than adequate amounts of each and I run ph at levels that allow for sufficient uptake. In the greenhouse hydro industry growing tomatoes with drip irrigation in perlite culture many operations use bulk nutrient preparations that are dry and come in two parts. One part contains everything but calcium nitrate, the other part is calcium nitrate. They keep them separate to prevent magnesium sulfate and calcium nitrate from interacting. Just as the gh flora series, techniflora nutes and many others do, liquid or dry. The one part flora nova gets away with everything in one bottle as it is a colloidal suspension that separates during storage, thus preventing the interaction. However, there are many nutrient packages that don't contain sufficient cal-mag. Pure blend pro is a classic example. You absolutely must use cal-mag with it to avoid disaster.

I am currently using maxibloom for flowering. It is a one part product that does not have any reactions until you put it into solution in water. It contains ample amounts of cal-mag.

The calcium/magnesium deficiency most folks run into eventually using hydro nutes is caused by ph being maintained at levels that don't allow for decent uptake. Not by the nutrients being low on either calcium or magnesium.

I know I run the risk here of opening up a whole can of worms on proper cannabis hydro ph, but here goes anyway.

Most of the ph charts you see are incorrect or misleading. Most would have you believe that if you don't run at a specific ph you are running the risk of lockout of one element or the other. Some depict uptake of elements at different ph points that don't even overlap with their recommendation for ideal ph, usually at around 5.8.

The truth is that there is no such thing as ideal ph and there are no finite points where lockouts occur. Every application is a compromise. However, the 5.8 recommendation is right in the middle of the range where you get the least calcium and magnesium uptake. You are still getting some, but usually not enough. You either have to get above 6.0-6.1 or below 5.5 to get adequate uptake of calcium or magnesium. I believe that above 5.5 phosphorus availability starts diminishing so I start my input solution at 5.2. As nutrients are used and evaporation/transpiration occur the ph will climb. The girls love it and show no symptoms of deficiency.

So, if you are using ro or distilled water and your nutrient shows calcium and magnesium on the label try running your ph between 5.1 and 5.4 for a while and see what happens. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

If you are using ro water it is probable that you have very hard water from your tap and you decided to use ro water to solve the problem. If your tap water is over 200 ppm at the .5 conversion (milwaukee meters), you probably have too much calcium in your water. The calcium in your tap water plus the calcium in your nutrient solution can add up to an over abundance of calcium. An excess of calcium can cause a magnesium deficiency. You see the mag deficiency first and you think you need more magnesium so you add cal-mag thereby aggravating the situation. You can run into a similar scenario adding epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) to your solution. Too much of one nutrient can cause problems with uptake of another.

If your tap water is below around 150 ppm and doesn't contain more than 70 ppm calcium (only a water analysis can tell you this) try correcting ph to 5.2 for a while. With Ro water, if your nutes show Mg and Ca on the label, try 5.2 for a while.
Or you can blend ro water and tap water in proportions that get your tds below 100 ppm, then try 5.2 for a while.

My tap water is slightly over 200 ppm most of the time, so I blend tap 40%/ro 60% and end up with a reading of around 80 ppm before nutes are added. I chose this ratio because of the ph buffering capability inherent in the tap water mixed with ro at this ratio allows me to get away without using ph adjusters, either up or down. 2 gals tap plus 3 gals ro plus 2 level tablespoons maxibloom gives me 5.2 at around 950 ppm every time. I have visually perfect plants showing no signs excess or deficiency.

Well, I hope this little discourse helps someone be a better grower. " End Quote

Hab. :vibe:
 
You bring up an excellent point, I was going to try adjusting the pH to about 6.3 to see how some react. According to Remo nutes they run coco at 6.3ish. I have used MaxiGrow and MaxiBloom in the past, and have some oMaxiGrow downstairs. I have seen plants do well with each. It mixes a low pH, so I will try some plants around 5.3pH. When I use MaxiGrow with Photos is was 5g per gal and 5ml CALMAG, but I adjusted the pH with Silica. I will try not adjusting the pH, and I have some other nutes that run a little higher...so I will adjust those nutes to about 6.3pH. Autos are different, so I am willing to try different things than I am used to. My flower pH is alway 5.8-6.1 for my photos. This works perfectly for them and has for many many years. Obviously coco in general requires more CALMAG, so do Autos and Cobs seem to make the plant crave more as well. So zi will adjust the pH on the next plants I put under cobs. I am not afraid to experiment, and pH was my next experiment anyhow, on Autos. So I will report how the plants react to any changes I make.
 
Its how we learn, try this or that. :pass: Read what we can see if it works for us.

lol I read that 6.3 ideal ph post to, got me into trouble. Be interested to see a 6.3 Grow. There is a thread called "The K.I.S.S. Method" its LONG all about Maxibloom as a stand alone nute. Why pay more? :vibe:
 
Its how we learn, try this or that. :pass: Read what we can see if it works for us.

lol I read that 6.3 ideal ph post to, got me into trouble. Be interested to see a 6.3 Grow. There is a thread called "The K.I.S.S. Method" its LONG all about Maxibloom as a stand alone nute. Why pay more? :vibe:
Whats up @Habitual !!! Good to see u still spreading the word about the LR and the KISS method,,great bud doesnt require expensive multiple bottles!!!! I am currently testing a new line of nutes but have my previous LR yields to compare it to. I used the KISS method for about 2.5 yrs and only have good things to say about it!!!
 
Its how we learn, try this or that. :pass: Read what we can see if it works for us.

lol I read that 6.3 ideal ph post to, got me into trouble. Be interested to see a 6.3 Grow. There is a thread called "The K.I.S.S. Method" its LONG all about Maxibloom as a stand alone nute. Why pay more? :vibe:

Well if you are using 5.3 or so with success, that is what matters. Maybe 6.3 would work similar to your 5.3pH, realistically it is a lot closer to the NORMAL range than your low feeding. As I stated, I know what Maxibloom is, I know what the KISS method is. I have used both Maxis in the past. I have had some do amazingly well on photos in the past. I have used GH products for 20 years. Autos eat differently tho, so I am just seeing what others use with success for veg in Coco.
 
ok sorry, You asked. Grow well bro :vibe: fyi 5.4 isnt far from "normal" its bang on for dwc hydro...

I am so cheap @budelee, I know there are other great products beside this one. but for the cost and time spent...I purchased a bag of $15 MB and $22 KB powder in may I still have 200 grams MB I have high end lights and buy seeds money well spent lol.

Hab
 
My coco pre charge = Maxibloom and tap water 6 grams + 5 ml ca-mg+ and root stim per 1 gallon ph is 5.4 as mixed. This flushes the k and na cations and replaces them with ca-mg cations. Something about ca++ mg++ vs k+ na+ double-positive charge vs single...

Maxi is 5-15-14 so little chance of N burn and plenty of P for fast rooting.

Just seems to work Stone Dragon pictured week 3. :pass:

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Habitual what root stim do you use?
 
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