What is wrong with this seedling and is it worth growing?

[duvfromabuv]

hi i've only tried to grow a few plants before and this is the second time something like this has happened and im not sure what could be causing it.
on this grow i didn't ph my water (person in the grow shop said i didn't need to) i just fill a big bucket from the tap with an air pump in it and leave it and usually on refill it every week or so.
i have ph'd my water on a previous grow and the same thing happened but worse it barely grew at all


in my setup i have a:
250w duel spectrum hps in vented cooltube
80x80x160 grow tent
15L airpot
soil from grow shop which im told is a light mix
biobizz nutrients

i had only fed it 1ml/L of root juice 4 days after it popped and thats when it started to grow weird.
this is 4 days later a day later i gave it 1ml/L bio grow bio heaven root juice top max
2 days after that
and 4 days after that

is it worth growing or shall try again?

i only have a couple of seeds left any help would be much appreciated thanx

 

[bushdktr]

Looks stunted/intoxicated, my advice would be to dump it and start again, keep it simple for the first 10-15 days with autos...no nutes, only pH'd water.

 

[duvfromabuv]

but i only gave nutes after 10 days apart from root juice. i was following a biobizz feed schedule someone wrote in the organics section.

 

[Ronin]

I'd suggest starting over as well.
As Bushdktr stated above, only water for the first two weeks.
Then gauge feedings accordingly.
Sending some karma your way for the next round

 

[dirty budster]

How close do you have the light?

 

[Tdam]

Have u give her enough with water..... I have killled a couple of seedlings by giving to little water... The top of the soil is moist but 1 inch/3cm down is dry... I could be wrong but thats how it looked when it happen to me.....

 

[duvfromabuv]

I'd suggest starting over as well.
As Bushdktr stated above, only water for the first two weeks.
Then gauge feedings accordingly.
Sending some karma your way for the next round

i only fed it after 10 days because it was looking yellowish normally i wait a few more days. thanks for the karma with my luck with this stuff im gonna need it i just started to germ another seed fingers crossed.

How close do you have the light?

more than a foot away if anything it was a bit too far as it stretched a few inches.

Have u give her enough with water..... I have killled a couple of seedlings by giving to little water... The top of the soil is moist but 1 inch/3cm down is dry... I could be wrong but thats how it looked when it happen to me.....

i definitely gave enough i had alot of runoff. the only thing i can think of is when i watered with the root juice some may have got on the leaves and stem but i used a tissue to delicately soak up any drops but i can't remember if it was this plant or another and i don't know if that can have such a bad affect on it.

thanks to you all for your help

 

[Waira]

Duv'-- I hate when this happens,...... when a seedling looks and acts feeble from day one basically, first thing I'd blame is the soil,...from there, no amount of other inputs is likely to fix things... Smart that you requested a light soil- ...however, since it's a "house made" product, there are,...uh-- questions....was it hand made by a skilled gardener, or is it slapped together floor/broken bag crap they're passing off as "custom blend"? ...not hacking on the source, I don't know how well you know them and all that, so I'm just putting some healthy general consumer skepticism out there, given the horror stories from others who thought they could trust their shop peep's with in-house products! ...Also, what they call light, may not be light enough for auto's, which themselves are as a group pretty sensitive to hotter soils, and can also be rather variable in their tolerances for such things,...some may hate on it, another strain might thrive....... also, and critical, is a proper pH reading! That would be the other most likely source of problems; I'd take a sample back to them (both unused, if any's left, and from the pot itself) and have them test it right there, never mind what they say it was when they tested it 2 weeks ago or whatever- trust, but verify!.... you could get an estimate using the run-off method too, if you have a pH meter that's confirmed calibrated recently, or best of all, a decent quality soil pH probe, like an Accurate 8,... the skinny cheapo ones you see at garden centers, etc., are junk, lousy accuracy,... Finally, find out exactly what's in the soil-- peat or coco based, all other amendments,....
..as for the seedling, most likely she'll be stunted even if she stays alive, yields and quality may suffer,... so at this early stage, start over AFTER you've figured out stuff with this soil, or get a bag of light mix read made,... (stay away from Fox Farms! ...many many complaints of acdic-- low 5's!- undercooked crap reported for a while now,.... well, save Light Warrior, which seems okay)... Let us know about the pH and ingredients mate! :smoking:


>> link to run-off testing method, one that if done right, reduces the measurement error that's inherent in this already dicey method,... https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...-for-run-off-testing-and-ph-estimation.41733/

 

[duvfromabuv]

Duv'-- I hate when this happens,...... when a seedling looks and acts feeble from day one basically, first thing I'd blame is the soil,...from there, no amount of other inputs is likely to fix things... Smart that you requested a light soil- ...however, since it's a "house made" product, there are,...uh-- questions....was it hand made by a skilled gardener, or is it slapped together floor/broken bag crap they're passing off as "custom blend"? ...not hacking on the source, I don't know how well you know them and all that, so I'm just putting some healthy general consumer skepticism out there, given the horror stories from others who thought they could trust their shop peep's with in-house products! ...Also, what they call light, may not be light enough for auto's, which themselves are as a group pretty sensitive to hotter soils, and can also be rather variable in their tolerances for such things,...some may hate on it, another strain might thrive....... also, and critical, is a proper pH reading! That would be the other most likely source of problems; I'd take a sample back to them (both unused, if any's left, and from the pot itself) and have them test it right there, never mind what they say it was when they tested it 2 weeks ago or whatever- trust, but verify!.... you could get an estimate using the run-off method too, if you have a pH meter that's confirmed calibrated recently, or best of all, a decent quality soil pH probe, like an Accurate 8,... the skinny cheapo ones you see at garden centers, etc., are junk, lousy accuracy,... Finally, find out exactly what's in the soil-- peat or coco based, all other amendments,....
..as for the seedling, most likely she'll be stunted even if she stays alive, yields and quality may suffer,... so at this early stage, start over AFTER you've figured out stuff with this soil, or get a bag of light mix read made,... (stay away from Fox Farms! ...many many complaints of acdic-- low 5's!- undercooked crap reported for a while now,.... well, save Light Warrior, which seems okay)... Let us know about the pH and ingredients mate! :smoking:


>> link to run-off testing method, one that if done right, reduces the measurement error that's inherent in this already dicey method,... https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...-for-run-off-testing-and-ph-estimation.41733/

thanks for the information but i think the soil is good it is made by a big company Tuff Merom Golan especially for this grow shops braches. the soil is based on peat, perlite, coconut fiber and enriched with appropriate doses of vermiculite and humus other than that i don't know.

i have ordered a soil ph probe last week on ebay so i'll have to wait a few weeks for it to arrive i don't know the model name but it looks like a big bullet not the ones with long spike probe i thought those might damage the roots.

on a different matter i just germinated a seed but it's black inside here's a pic i don't know if you can see clearly but the tap root is black and growing slow this is after almost 3 days in using paper towel method. that's 2 out of last 3 seeds ive germinated is it something im doing or just bad seeds? i planted the last one but it didn't grow. will any if they look like this? is it worth planting i only have 1 auto left so i don't want to waste it.

thanks again

 

[Waira]

... your seeds, your gamble, mate,... my point is, until you have some idea what's in the soil as far as nutrient sources, it will be guesswork as to when and how much nutrients to start out using,...fortunately, Biobizz is mild stuff, and great quality.... your doses were okay, if a bit early at about 1 week (the cotlydons supply much of what's needed initially), but I realize you were looking to see if nute's would help,... however, fertilizers, organic or not, tend to be acidic, and the breakdown of organic nute's also is an acidic process,... EWC teas or inoculants are very helpful in getting your soil microbe population up and running, which is especially critical for organic nute's because most of their initial NPK sources are not in readily absorbed forms,... off pH hinders, even kills the soil herd! As for your water pH, and hardness, knowing what they are is wise, to make sure it's not overly high in ppm's TDS and thus alkaline pH,... longer term consequences of build up will mess with nutrient uptake and root health, along with potential pH issues,.... ***.... don't worry about the minimal root damage from occasional probings, just don't place it in close the the plant itself,...also, some depth will give better representation of what's going on in there,... that unit sounds similar to the Accurate 7 hsoil:...long probe one is the 8 model...... That seed is all done! What strain/breeder are they? The p-t method is okay, but some brands have significant amounts of chemical residues in them, so best to rinse them out first,... also, your temp's for germing are important; what are you running at?