New Grower WileyWilly's NL Virgin grower

[The Squid]

Hey bud. They're definitely growing and getting bigger that's for sure. They do seem stunted though, I wonder if they have become stunted due to the cup size. I have seen successful grows with the smaller 16-18oz cups so I dunno for sure.

Surely once you get your meter and you make sure your Ph is on, things will turn around for you. Fem beans would never really need to be started in smaller pots. That is generally done for Reg beans to get them to sex instead of using all the space and mix for possible males. Definitely plant in final pot for Fem beans. It's ok though dude, we all live and learn. I learned all the hard ways

Just curious, what are your temps and humidity?

 

[sofa]

i'm sure its not growing well because its too warm or there is no air circulation...? my friend had the same results when he tried to grow last year. his box had no air circulation haha and no outtake fan.

 

[wileywilly53]

OK New meter came in and was here when I got home. I calibrated it and started my Dr.Jeckle impression. what I ended up with is 6.6pH in and 6.2pH out so 6.2 - .4 = ?5.8pH soil I think that is close enough huh for now anyway. In my opinion I need to take the one with the string out of that small cup ASAP and get it in some good soil and cross my fingers. If I read right, I am going to scoop out a hole in the middle of my final pot and set the cup with the bottom cut out down in that hole correct ? I will wait a couple hours for confirmation BUT if I don't hear anything I am going for it on the one with the string anyway. OK.

 

[wg]

No way, that soils burning them my friend. What do you mean 5.8 is good enough for soil? Your plants do need calcium and magnesium and phosphorous. They're not optional, haha.

If you fix the pH issue in the soil and make it a little more alkaline I bet your results will be fantastic man.

 

[wileywilly53]

Thanks for stopping by Sofa. I was going to let The Squid know I had some concerns and ask some questions about the air circulation. Here is what I have
LED wholesalers 4" Hydroponic Carbon Air Filter 200 CFM Air Scrubber Oder Control, GYO2305
Active Air Inline Fan 4" 165 cfm
my filter is bigger so no back pressure or whatever u know what I mean. My temps are a steady 82 degrees F and 74 degrees when Lights out. the humidity is high 49 low 38 but usually when I first open the tent it is around 40. the only reason I wonder about circulation is because I have it in my walk in closet. It is probably considered a half walk in closet maybe 5ft wide 6ft deep 8ft tall and there is a ac/heat vent as well as in the bathroom.. I have the exhaust blowing out the door so it is not blowing back in the closet. But my wife closes the bathroom door at night to keep the noise down. It is just the 2 of us in this house OH and our little dog. So I wonder about Co2 but please don't tell me I got to by some other fancy air changing machine. Heck I'll sleep in the tent LOL. I have had the fan and exhaust hooked from day one BUT I just connected the filter when I got home. I only have one vent door on the tent open at the bottom. Maybe I need to open more vent holes ? I also have the fan circulating/blowing on the lamp/plants. oh my tent is 32x32x62
AND Squid I hear ya about the small cups as well as people use them mostly so the do not waste good soil on male plants, but I was not sure that's why I started like I did, (lesson Learned.) Also I can not seem to keep enough water in the little cups with my humidity running kind of so so. watered them once with the nutes ( will discuss amounts in just a minute) the other day look back on post then again yesterday with 6.6 pH water and they are dry again today. Another reason for wanting to get them in the bigger pots.
now for the only nutes I gave them 15ml (1Tablespoon mixed in a half gallon of 6.5pH water and I watered until moist. You think that might be to much ?
And now with WhatsGoodie2 remarks I am CONFUSED. I am sure I thought I read a post that you want 6.0pH runoff and That is with 6.? pH water in. BUT I have seen that chart before and looking at it I see what he is saying. So if you have good level pH water go in and get almost 6.0 runoff that is not correct, you need to make the soil number equal to the chart ? Is that what I am shooting for. get good soil pH number regardless of pH in Out ? jus get them to equal good nuber in the chart ?
PS: thanks for the input Whatsgoodie2 Now I am AFU LMAO no I do appreciate it. thanks

 

[wileywilly53]

I guess where I am confused is that I could just keep adjusting water pH in until I get a good soil pH of 6.5 but I can't imagine that is how I am supposed to be adjusting soil pH. so what pH am I supposed to be putting in and then I guess I adjust soil with either more of the lime I just got or something else to go the other way to get correct soil pH ?

 

[The Squid]

The soil isn't burning your plants. Jiffy starter mix has little to nothing in it. BUT..your Ph is a bit a low perhaps. Feed at 6.9-7 next time and that should pull it up into optimum range.
Your temps are fine and the humidity isn't awful. So beyond the.Ph I still think they got stunted in the smaller cups. I could be wrong..

 

[wileywilly53]

I am still learning bro you know better than any how true dat is. BUT I agree I think these lil cups are almost going to be the death of them the girls have probably exhausted what lil good stuff was there to start with and not being able to get enough water and tap root extension they are stuck/stunting. I am reading the pH manual that JM and Muddy have as we are typing BUT Until then can you just tell me what pH water I should put into the new OF that I have added the lime to. and I will see what comes out. and if it is not =ing 6.5 I will see what we need to do then. Maybe I will have the answer myself from reading again before I get the run off. But I could pour some proper pH in and then read while I wait for run off again.

 

[wileywilly53]

OK I am still laughing at myself, maybe I am just over thinking this thing. Or maybe I just need to get some old crap weed from my brother in law and burn one. I am going to try one more time to get what is in my brain to show up in this post. I got me some soil and I added a lil lime to it you (Squid) no why. NOW when I try to get my soil pH reading it comes out as XXXX so all I have to do is keep playing with my pH number of the water going in until I get the number I want at the end of the equation. That is not a problem I could do that. BUT that is not changing my soil pH is it ? that is just fucking with the numbers to get what I want. So don't I need to start with a known factor (number) and then do something with the soil itself to get my numbers right ? OR OR does it not make any difference, no matter what I put in as long as whatever comes out makes the equation = the correct pH of 6.5 the plants can absorb all their needed nutes ?
PS= Sofa was not aware we have not put them in that low pH soil yet and they are still in the Jiffy But I understand what he is saying, also it has only been 2 days since I put lime in so it still might not have settled in yet HUH ?
by the way I have not raised my light yet it is still about 4 inches above top leaves.
also The lime I ended up with because of wanting to hurry and get some might be the wrong type it is (Pelletized Dolomitic Limestone) and it has been mixed for two days now when I tried run off this morning it is even frikkon lower 7.3 in 6.0 out diff of 1.3 - 6.0 = 4.7

 

[The Squid]

Hey man. The lime you got is exactly what you needed. It comes in pellets and powder. The pellets take a bit longer, it can take 7 days for the lime to activate, I thought I mentioned that, maybe not, this Squid stays baked.

After several days it should definitely raise, you did one Tablespoon or so per gallon of mix, correct? No need to water and check runoff everyday. Give it at least three before checking again. Just keeping it wet for the 7 days to get the lime to activate is what we wanna do here.
Yes, I think Sofa thought 'we' had already put in in the Ocean Forest which would burn your plants up that early, no worries.
With cfls and needing to get close, you should attempt to get your temp down just a couple degrees. As long as it isn't too hot and there is plenty of air blowing across the lights and in between them andthe plants you can have them close close. You have a couple sets of leaves now, they could be a little closer.

As far as you getting XXXX reading, I don't follow you. Like your meter is reading that instead of actual numbers?
Just adding higher Ph water won't help in the long run if it's that low. You need something to buffer(to keep it in place). That's the lime.
Right now it doesn't matter what you put in. I would just keep putting between 6.5-7 for now. Sure you could run Ph 9 through there and get 6.5... But you don't wanna do that.

I really think we can at least make it worth it for you after the transplant. Someone else may think differently, but I think they got/are stunted because of the small cups too. it happened to me a lot and I was like "What the fuuuuuck?!" And I started using bigger cups and it helped a lot, along with other things I had learned too but hey. I started some recently in small cups because that's all I had, and it was sort of a test run anyway. They're doing just a little better than yours, not great though, I need to get them out of their tiny home. But I am in Promix and I know how to deal with it's Ph swings and my nutes.

I am NO master. I still learn everyday, but one day all the foundation and basics at least just They make sense all of a sudden.