Mephisto Genetics Will my Mephisto run be as small as previous runs?

[Benjidubwise]

Greetings all.
I'm eagerly awaiting a delivery from Mephisto. 3 x white chem & 3 x fuge state + the freebies. It'll be my first run with them & I'm pretty god dam excited about it!
I'm just finishing up my second run with autos indoors. 6 x zkittles auto from fastbuds. I've got these gals in 2 x 4gal pots & 4 x2gal pots in a little 70 x 70cm tent. They are pretty small plants. Each about 18inch tall & spread just outside the diameter of the pots. They seem a similar size to my first run of 3 x royal gorilla auto from RQS in 2gal pots. At the time of planting I thought 3 would fill out my little tent but they looked lost in there by the end

After the first run, I added an inkbird humidity controller & doubled my plant count. The buds on this second run look a lot better than the first (pre harvest) & I'm putting it down to the environment being under better controll. but... overall plant size is pretty small & similar to tun #1.

My question now is, are the mephisto genetics likely to respond in a similar fashion to how RQS & FB genetics behaved in the first two rounds in my environment? I.e smaller than their advertised potential overall size.
I want to plant another 6 or 7 in 3 gal pots for round 3 to maximise space but don't want to have to cull any should they explode & go mental on me

 

[Mizzo81]

White chem can get to a good size in a 3gal so can fugue state. Can expect 2-4 oz off each. Depends on you and your ability to feed when they need to enhance fast growth.

 

[Mizzo81]

That 2-4 is easy with good skills i believe 6 a piece probably possible.

 

[Proph]

Greetings all.
I'm eagerly awaiting a delivery from Mephisto. 3 x white chem & 3 x fuge state + the freebies. It'll be my first run with them & I'm pretty god dam excited about it!
I'm just finishing up my second run with autos indoors. 6 x zkittles auto from fastbuds. I've got these gals in 2 x 4gal pots & 4 x2gal pots in a little 70 x 70cm tent. They are pretty small plants. Each about 18inch tall & spread just outside the diameter of the pots. They seem a similar size to my first run of 3 x royal gorilla auto from RQS in 2gal pots. At the time of planting I thought 3 would fill out my little tent but they looked lost in there by the end

After the first run, I added an inkbird humidity controller & doubled my plant count. The buds on this second run look a lot better than the first (pre harvest) & I'm putting it down to the environment being under better controll. but... overall plant size is pretty small & similar to tun #1.

My question now is, are the mephisto genetics likely to respond in a similar fashion to how RQS & FB genetics behaved in the first two rounds in my environment? I.e smaller than their advertised potential overall size.
I want to plant another 6 or 7 in 3 gal pots for round 3 to maximise space but don't want to have to cull any should they explode & go mental on me

There are way too many variables at play for us to know how your plants will grow.. Light distance being the 1st thing to come to mind. I'm guessing your tent is about 4ft tall.. Your pots are probably 10-12inches tall.. You need space between the light and the plant (usually 18in or so).. So just using these basic estimates.. Your plants will have about 20inch of vertical grow space max.. And that's just the light/space variable.. Many others are at play as well

 

[slowandeasy]

Greetings all.
I'm eagerly awaiting a delivery from Mephisto. 3 x white chem & 3 x fuge state + the freebies. It'll be my first run with them & I'm pretty god dam excited about it!
I'm just finishing up my second run with autos indoors. 6 x zkittles auto from fastbuds. I've got these gals in 2 x 4gal pots & 4 x2gal pots in a little 70 x 70cm tent. They are pretty small plants. Each about 18inch tall & spread just outside the diameter of the pots. They seem a similar size to my first run of 3 x royal gorilla auto from RQS in 2gal pots. At the time of planting I thought 3 would fill out my little tent but they looked lost in there by the end

After the first run, I added an inkbird humidity controller & doubled my plant count. The buds on this second run look a lot better than the first (pre harvest) & I'm putting it down to the environment being under better controll. but... overall plant size is pretty small & similar to tun #1.

My question now is, are the mephisto genetics likely to respond in a similar fashion to how RQS & FB genetics behaved in the first two rounds in my environment? I.e smaller than their advertised potential overall size.
I want to plant another 6 or 7 in 3 gal pots for round 3 to maximise space but don't want to have to cull any should they explode & go mental on me

White Chem and Fugue State are tsller plants. Your 70x70 tent is way too small for a single properly grown plant of either of those strains. What is your lighting and what are you feeding them? What is your medium? Lots of factors on plant growth. But from a lot of experience with Mephisto, they dont lie about size. Also, if your plants are staying that small...lwts fix that problem first. Grower error or small problems can and will aid to small plants. Often a minor tweak can have big results. Peace, slow

 

[BII]

If the goal is qualiity, potency, etc., buds from small(er) plants are just as good as from big ones.

If the goal is yield/weight, many of the 'big(ger)' plants do not come out as productive in terms of yield/plant area as more smaller plants. I generally get near 1.5 oz/sq. ft. floor space with more smaller [not on purpose; I'd prefer bigger] well-trained (LST) plants jammed in the tent. A 3-foot wide (1.5 ft radius) plant takes up >7 sq. ft. of floor space. [even more if you calculate the area as square rather than here as a circle]. To beat even just 1.3 oz/sq. ft., that plant would have to yield ≥9 oz., which is unlikely (for us non-"AFN Gladiator," non-expert growers).

So besides any height concerns, I'd go with more smaller plants. And if they go crazy, everythings usually works out well in a jammed tent. If foliage gets dense, you might consider lights with proven high penetration power (such as most COBs).

 

[slowandeasy]

If the goal is qualiity, potency, etc., buds from small(er) plants are just as good as from big ones.

If the goal is yield/weight, many of the 'big(ger)' plants do not come out as productive in terms of yield/plant area as more smaller plants. I generally get near 1.5 oz/sq. ft. floor space with more smaller [not on purpose; I'd prefer bigger] well-trained (LST) plants jammed in the tent. A 3-foot wide (1.5 ft radius) plant takes up >7 sq. ft. of floor space. [even more if you calculate the area as square rather than here as a circle]. To beat even just 1.3 oz/sq. ft., that plant would have to yield ≥9 oz., which is unlikely (for us non-"AFN Gladiator," non-expert growers).

So besides any height concerns, I'd go with more smaller plants. And if they go crazy, everythings usually works out well in a jammed tent. If foliage gets dense, you might consider lights with proven high penetration power (such as most COBs).

Agree with some but not all of this post. Cobs need MORE height and are NOT good for low height grows, they will cause light stress. Also, you have to factor in Genetics. Both of these strains grow taller than average. So to combat the height you will most likely LST. LST will take up more floor space, leaving less room for more plants. Infact a single plant of either of these strains will outgrow a 70x70 tent if grown properly. I would like to know more on his medium, pot size, and feeding regimine. That is actually a huge factor on plant size and that alone can determine plant numbers. BTW, did you really do 12 plants in a 70x70cm tent? Peace, slow

 

[Benjidubwise]

Yes yes team, Thanks for jumping in with all your knowledge!
@Mizzo81 @Proph @slowandeasy @bll

Growing autoflower cannabis is an amazing journey & I'm right at the beginning. That in mind, I had no illusions that I'd be pulling mutliple oz of super high grade bud per plant from my first grows.

I'm growing for myself & my Mrs & have no intention of selling anything. Quality is the most important outcome aslong as the quantity, which isn't massive, is met.
Each harvest needs to supply a minimum of 3oz with 5 or 6 being an optimum number...
The current round of 6 zkittlez will likely net me the 6oz I was hoping for. Obviously over time & with resources like AFN I plan on improving my skills & being able to produce the same amount from 1 or 2 plants. Until then I want to max out my available space which is a 70x70x150 tent. Where I am, 9 plants is the same as 3 in the eyes of the law so that's not worrying me.

My original question was essentially, if I make no changes to my grow will 3xwhite chem & 3x fuge state fit in a space where 6 x FB zkittlez have been quite "happy"?
I'm guessing the answer is likely yes or at least worth trying.

Below I've listed all my kit & bits of what I've done over the 2 grows.

If anyone has some good pointers for tightening everything up, it'd be much appreciated

Tent: black orchid 70x70x150cm

Light: invisible sun ISH240PRO 3K (240w) + 60w Rstrip

Medium: biobizz light & house & garden bat special (NPK 14-16-18)

Nutes: biobizz grow, bloom, heaven, top max.
Plant magic root boost
TNC cal/mag
Multi mite kelp extract
TNC fungal / microbial inoculant

Fabric pots 2 & 4 gal.

Water is filtered & ph'd to 6.2 - 6.8.

Temps range a fair bit but that's somewhat out of my control. Lights on it sits around 27/28c but can spike at 32c. Lights off it can get down to 18c.
Humidity is controlled with the inkbird & is kept roughly inline with a VPD chart found online.

With both grows I've been very shy with the nutrients & supplements but the plants have always grown rapidly & been a very deep green during veg. Once flower starts the plants slow a little & get what looks like the onset of nute burn (yellow tips that slowly move up the fingers of the leaf & in some cases there is brown spotting in the yellow).
This makes me timid when it comes to offering nutrients however in this current run I have been giving increased amounts of biobizz bloom during flower.
During grow 1 I did feed with bizz grow during veg but when I got signs of nute burn in early flower I attributed it to excess N & so in grow 2 I didn't feed with grow. Growth was still excellent during veg but signs of nute burn are still there in early flower.

The buds I'm getting in grow 2 look much denser than grow 1. Improvements I made between the 2 grows include the addition of the inkbird humidity controller & changing the height of the light inline with manufacturer's recommendations (36in veg - 18in flower) whereas in grow 1 I just had the light at 36in throughout. Definitely improved watering schedule during early stages.

Looking at people's grow diaries who have pulled good numbers, my plants are keeping up during veg but lag behind during flower.

 

[slowandeasy]

Yes yes team, Thanks for jumping in with all your knowledge!
@Mizzo81 @Proph @slowandeasy @bll

Growing autoflower cannabis is an amazing journey & I'm right at the beginning. That in mind, I had no illusions that I'd be pulling mutliple oz of super high grade bud per plant from my first grows.

I'm growing for myself & my Mrs & have no intention of selling anything. Quality is the most important outcome aslong as the quantity, which isn't massive, is met.
Each harvest needs to supply a minimum of 3oz with 5 or 6 being an optimum number...
The current round of 6 zkittlez will likely net me the 6oz I was hoping for. Obviously over time & with resources like AFN I plan on improving my skills & being able to produce the same amount from 1 or 2 plants. Until then I want to max out my available space which is a 70x70x150 tent. Where I am, 9 plants is the same as 3 in the eyes of the law so that's not worrying me.

My original question was essentially, if I make no changes to my grow will 3xwhite chem & 3x fuge state fit in a space where 6 x FB zkittlez have been quite "happy"?
I'm guessing the answer is likely yes or at least worth trying.

Below I've listed all my kit & bits of what I've done over the 2 grows.

If anyone has some good pointers for tightening everything up, it'd be much appreciated

Tent: black orchid 70x70x150cm

Light: invisible sun ISH240PRO 3K (240w) + 60w Rstrip

Medium: biobizz light & house & garden bat special (NPK 14-16-18)

Nutes: biobizz grow, bloom, heaven, top max.
Plant magic root boost
TNC cal/mag
Multi mite kelp extract
TNC fungal / microbial inoculant

Fabric pots 2 & 4 gal.

Water is filtered & ph'd to 6.2 - 6.8.

Temps range a fair bit but that's somewhat out of my control. Lights on it sits around 27/28c but can spike at 32c. Lights off it can get down to 18c.
Humidity is controlled with the inkbird & is kept roughly inline with a VPD chart found online.

With both grows I've been very shy with the nutrients & supplements but the plants have always grown rapidly & been a very deep green during veg. Once flower starts the plants slow a little & get what looks like the onset of nute burn (yellow tips that slowly move up the fingers of the leaf & in some cases there is brown spotting in the yellow).
This makes me timid when it comes to offering nutrients however in this current run I have been giving increased amounts of biobizz bloom during flower.
During grow 1 I did feed with bizz grow during veg but when I got signs of nute burn in early flower I attributed it to excess N & so in grow 2 I didn't feed with grow. Growth was still excellent during veg but signs of nute burn are still there in early flower.

The buds I'm getting in grow 2 look much denser than grow 1. Improvements I made between the 2 grows include the addition of the inkbird humidity controller & changing the height of the light inline with manufacturer's recommendations (36in veg - 18in flower) whereas in grow 1 I just had the light at 36in throughout. Definitely improved watering schedule during early stages.

Looking at people's grow diaries who have pulled good numbers, my plants are keeping up during veg but lag behind during flower.

I dont use those items, but can guess that your symptoms are actually UNDERFEEDING vs Nute Burn. PK deficiencies can cause burnt tips, yellowing, spottting, ect. To some people hunger can be confused with nute burn because you get deficiencies that can mimic overfeeding. Without seeing pics, thst is just an educated guess, because they were fine in Veg, but not in flower. You stated that you go light on the feedings. During flower the plant craves more food, also in a 70x70 tent your space between the plants and lights becomes less in flower. If too close, some lights can cause a variety of negative effects that often mimic deficiencies or overfeeding. If I read right you had 9 plants in a 27x27 inch tent. That is way too many plants! 2 plants is max I would even consider doing to harvest in that sized tent. I am not sure how often you water, so over and underwatering can cause issues...but you say the plants are fine in veg. So unless you are changing your watering frequency by a lot, zi doubt it is that. With the info providex My money is on underfeeding, PK def starting in flower. If you notice the problems arriving when they are starting preflowering and early flower, then you waited too long to feed most likely. For my Organic plants I have to Top Dress BEFORE flowering starts and then every 10-14 days. If the plants start to get hungry, that means I waited too long to top dress. If you notice excessive yellowing in flower, back the lights off a tad to see if it helps at all. One last piece of advice, grsb a pack of yellow Stickies and hang a couole and put a couple nesr your pots. Make sure you are pest free. Plants can grow in vwg pretty healthy looking with certain pests, but once in flower problems arrive. Better to be safe and proactive, if you have gnats that would explain everything. Not saying you do, just be safe and check...many times people are totally unaware. Good luck, slow

 

[Benjidubwise]

@slowandeasy
That's an interesting shout on the under feeding.
The foliage on both grows during veg was always a deep green though & when the tips started to slightly yellow I assumed the roots had fully made it out of the biobizz & were soaking up the rich Bat Special (npk 14-16-18). Also there was some slight clawing but if these could all be symptoms of deficiencies as well then that's very possibly the answer.

I'm running 6 at the moment. 4 x 2gal & 2 x 4gal. The plants in the 4 gal are obviously bigger but not x2 the size.
Some pics below: