Live Stoner Chat Ancient Aircraft & Spaceship Evidence

[Danny Tanner]

what would be the point in trying to contact us? why are we so special that in your eyes aliens have been sitting on the other end of the phone letting it ring over and over and over?

 

[stonemaster]

Not us in particular, anyone who can listen.

 

[Noods]

The gravity comes from the mass of the sun, not the sunshine. It does not matter if you are facing it or not. Gravity is not pushing or pulling, We are simply reacting to the space-time curviture in which we find ourselves. Jupiter's gravity is greater because it's mass is greater. The sun has nothing to do with it. We are held by earth's gravity, not the suns. The earth and all it's planets are held in their orbits by the suns gravity.

Thanks, we've known that for a while, though.

Gravity is not pushing or pulling

If it's not pulling, what is it doing then?
Waves radiate away from a source. So we have a mass that produces gravity. If gravity waves were radiating away from that mass, things would work differently. But if gravity is in fact waves, they must be working in reverse.. pulling. Right?

I beleive their are many alein races trying to contact us right now, but are having to wait for us to understand how the universe truly is before we can hear the greeting. Much like if you took a radio broadcasting station back to the 16th century. No one cound hear it even though it was all around them.

Yep, waiting for us to smarten up!
[video=youtube;KphWsnhZ4Ag]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=KphWsnhZ4Ag#t=0s[/video]

Has anyone signed the petition yet? http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/the-venus-project.html

 

[Danny Tanner]

if you want to take part in the search for signals from extra terrestrial sources, i highly recommend googling seti@home. it is by far one of the coolest (and easiest!) ways to donate to science.

 

[Eschatos]

There's a uh, big machine in the sky, some kind of, I dunno, electric snake, coming straight at us

 

[astronomy420a]

[video=youtube;0ez0r-VdEpE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ez0r-VdEpE&feature=related[/video] is this it!

 

[DWCocha]

I`ll be checking that link out JM, cheers mate!

:thumbs:yep,nice one.will be checkin these out

 

[JM]

forgive me, i was not saying JM is a troll. unless he was the guy saying gravity pushes and doesnt pull. all comments directed at JM were in the last paragraph alone.

and i'll leave you all with this by the way because i think it is pertinent to the discussion of net energy gain

OH Danny Boy... me Irish eyes are smilin on ya!


see below... its been almost a year and I'm no quantum physics major... forgive me for mis-explaining the gravity thing...while you read this please consider.... the current "laws of physics" assume time and space are constants... if you consider that time and space may be variable... then perhaps energy is there we cant see with current (traditional scientific instrumentation)
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Ripples in Spacetime

What are Gravitational Waves?

Predicted in Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, gravitational waves are disturbances in the curvature of spacetime caused by the motions of matter. Propagating at (or near) the speed of light, gravitational waves do not travel "through" spacetime as such -- the fabric of spacetime itself is oscillating. Though gravitational waves pass straight t hrough matter, their strength weakens proportionally to the distance traveled from the source. A gravitational wave arriving on Earth will alternately stretch and shrink distances, though on an incredibly small scale -- by a factor of

for very strong sources. That's roughly equivalent to measuring a change the size of an atom in the distance from the Sun to Earth! No wonder these waves are so hard to detect.
Are Gravitational Waves Real?

The first test of Einstein's General Theory of Relativity (the bending of light by the gravity of a large mass, seen in a solar eclipse) was made by a team led by Sir Arthur Eddington, who became one of the strongest supporters of the new theory. But when it came to gravity wave s, Eddington was skeptical and reportedly commented, "Gravitational waves propagate at the speed of thought." Ed Seidel, NCSA/Univ. of Illinois, on-camera

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Eddington was not the only skeptic. Many physicists thought the waves predicted by the theory were simply a mathematical artifact. Yet others continued to further develop and test the concept. By the 1960s, theorists had showed that if an object emits gravitational waves, its mass should decrease. Then, in the mid 1970s, American researchers observed a binary pulsar system (named PSR1913+16) that was thought to consist of two neutron stars orbiting each other closely and rapidly. Radio pulses from one of the stars showed that its orbital period decreases by 75 microseconds per year. In other words, the stars are spiralling in towards each other -- and by just the amount predicted if the system were losing energy by radiating gravity waves.

Why Should We Care About Gravity Waves?

Gravitational wave astronomy could expand our knowledge of the cosmos dramatically. For starters, gravitational waves, though weakening with distance, are thought to be unchanged by any material they pass through and, therefore, should carry signals unalt ered across the vast reaches of space. By comparison, electromagnetic radiation tends to be modified by intervening matter. Aside from demonstrating the existence of black holes and revealing a wealth of data on supernovae and neutron stars, gravitational wave observations could also provide an independent means of estimating cosmological distances and help further our understanding of how the universe came to be the way it looks today and of its ultimate fate. Gravitational waves might unveil phenomena never considered before. Nature is smarter than any theorist trying to imagine or calculate what might be out there!

Sifting Through the Waves

From supercomputer simulations performed at NCSA and other advanced computational facilities, relativity researchers expect different types of cosmic events to possess characteristic gravitational wave signatures. Consider the waves emitted by a single, distorted black hole, for example.
Distorted Black Hole

The remarkable thing about a black hole when simulated on a computer is that no matter how it forms or is perturbed, whether by infalling matter, by gravitional waves, or via a collision with another object (including a second black hole), it will "ring" with a unique frequency known as its natural mode of vibration. It's this unique wave signature that will allow scientists to know if they've really detected a black hole. But that's not all. The signal will tell them how big the black hole is and how fast it's spinning.

source:
http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu/Cyberia/NumRel/GravWaves.html

 

[JM]

what would be the point in trying to contact us? why are we so special that in your eyes aliens have been sitting on the other end of the phone letting it ring over and over and over?

yeah, why are we so special? lol
good answer stonemaster... yes... because life tends to want to communicate with other life forms...
if you view "us" as a collectiv conciousness... then we'd want to communicate with the other part of us...right?

Waves radiate away from a source.

slight technicality... electromagnetic waves radiate.... in accordance with inverse square law.


but gravity waves are much faster.... and direct.... and longitudinal...


see also:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dispersion_(water_waves) for a better understanding... modern science even accepts gravity waves... but not parts of the theory...

 

[stonemaster]

I think it was koose who mentioned the first americans may have came from europe, not the artic. There is a very distinctive point called a clovis point, I think the oldest dated here . The oldest are from the east coast with younger ones out west. Seems to be an east to west trip. This was during the last part of the last ice age. They were following the edge of the ice sheets from europe and hit america. At this time the ice sheets were stopped 100 miles north of ky. Many years ago I got the bright idea that the first americans traveled and lived in my area. So I got some books on archyology and some maps and marked where I thought they might be. I went to the first mark on my map, dug down 2 feet and found a female skull! I ran home and called the local state univeristy, spoke to the anthropology department about my find. They said to dig up the bones and bring them in to them. Having studyed the books, I knew to not disturb the bones until they were all uncovered. I made a grid and carfully uncovered 7 burials. They were all jumbled up . A neighbor came by, saw the skeltions and called the police. They called the cornor who called the news. When I finally got the police to call the univeristy, the man I had spoken with was out of town. The police, and the news, spoke to someone who had never heard of me. I was in the national news as a grave robber and black marketer for 4 days. On day 5 the first professor came, told the news and police that I had informed him and was just a well intended amiture. No opoligies were given me and I soon took up astronomy. I thought koose might find it funny that looking for those people got me in trouble. On the up side, I still get many offers to come look at peoples finds.