Live Stoner Chat Aussies Have the Strongest Pot??

The lab report is here http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0070052#abstract0 there is a link to it in the article above

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"Further, effective potency, that is the amount of THC and other relevant cannabinoids actually absorbed by the user, may vary according to such factors as natural variations in the cannabinoid content of plants, the part of the plant consumed (e.g., more potent buds versus leaf material), route of administration (e.g., oral vs. smoking) and user titration of dose to compensate for differing levels of THC in different smoked material [10], [36]. In smoking cannabis, only approximately 30% of THC-A is thought to be converted to free THC [37] with THC, rather than THC-A, providing the main psychoactive effects when cannabis is smoked or vaporized. Thus, THCtot may not necessarily be an accurate representation of effective potency. On the other hand, the non-psychoactive THC-A content of plants is of increasing interest given its potential medicinal and neuroprotective properties [38]. A recent trend towards “juicing” cannabis plant material for consumption is aimed at maximising THC-A intake, while minimising the intoxicating effects of THC."

It is a good long read.......
 
Tiger snake venom? whats an abos?
Gotta visit some day. 40% weed !
sound like an interesting place.



I went to Aus once and see them kangaroo folks smoking tiger snake venom, strange folks
Growing in the Aussie bush is harder coz the abos sniff it out and pinch it

Me is wondering what is all this percentage talk? All these figures are hilarious, they are percentages of what exactly? Does it take into consideration full terpene profile and whether psychoactive or not? Why does nobody post PROPER lab reports to back their words with a full breakdown of what is really present and in what quantities?

WARNING Aussie growers are very sensitive so no matter how crap his plants are you have to gasp and say WOW or he will be heartbroken forever it is the way Aussie men are so please show them some consideration. I will remember that for next time I go to that weed beach and I can say wow man that is 80% THC
 
"samples showed high mean THC content (THC+THC-A = 14.88%)" the highest was about 37% according to this but the lab procedure leaves alot of room for error I am afraid and they just had fun spending tax payers money to grab weed from the cops, does such bud exist the answer is yes but then I believe it is through the human selection of that premo sample

PS abos is aborigines who grew the desert galaxy bud befoe they were persecuted by the British convicts, they have excellent hunting and sense of smell and are brave enough to take on American pitbulls that try to stop them raiding someones garden grow.

PPS maybe this 40% is some traditional AUstralian Aboriginal Galaxy Marijuana that was still grown in the bush secretly by the Aborigines in which case Australia should share with the planet instead of hoggin those galaxy buds
 
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Yes, what percentage, percentage of what......????

When a seed company/breeder states 18 % THC, is that 18 % of the weight, of cannabinoids or something else......i.e. how is/what the percentage is measured?

Read elsewhere that it is the percentage of total cannabinoids, but the chaps discussing it were clearly playing a guessing game.
 
The percantage of THC should be based on the total dried weight of the bud tested. For example if it's 18% then out of 100 grams of weed 18 grams would be THC. Or at least that how I've been taught.
 
well it also depends on the varying testing methods used too.. i didnt read the article lmfao just thought it sounded interesting is all.lol!! street weed at 40% dude that sounds ALL KINDS a wrong on ten separate levels lol!!
 
It does appear to be by percentage of weight..........even then......

http://www.ukcia.org/library/skunk_strength.php

[h=1][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The "Skunk" panic[/FONT][/h][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Related issue: Cannabis and mental illness - here[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]An update to this item was added to the Newsblog in 2009 - THC, CBD and the misleading concept of “Potency”.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]On March 18th the Independent on Sunday changed its mind about supporting legalisation of cannabis with what must have been one of the worst examples of factless reporting ever carried by a supposedly "quality" newspaper, read it here and weep.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The stated reason for the change of mind concerns the nature of cannabis now available in the UK. Cannabis, they claimed is now 25 (or 30 depending which item you read) times stronger than it was during the 60's. This "new" type of cannabis has apparently resulted in thousands of "cannabis addicts" and a surge in mental illness.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So what is the truth about cannabis strength, how has it changed over the years? To answer that question, we need to understand a little about what cannabis is and how the authorities have treated it over the years.[/FONT]
[h=2][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How is cannabis strength measured?[/FONT][/h][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Definition: Strength is the amount of drug per volume or weight of a sample. By way of illustration alcohol strength is measured in "ABV" - the percent of alcohol per volume, so a 5% beer will contain 5% alcohol, easy.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As the drug the government associates with cannabis intoxication is THC and we're dealing with a solid substance, the strength of cannabis would be expected to be measured in Mg THC per gram of sample, that's where we hit a problem.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Now it's worth mentioning that cannabis is not simply THC, it's a blend of various active substances, the different ratios of which produce a very different effect on the user. However, only THC is usually measured, which produces the first problem when we want to examine changes in the nature of cannabis over time. No measurements of the amounts of the other active chemicals have ever been made by the authorities on anything like a regular basis. This is at least in part explained by the fact that cannabis is illegal and what measurements there have been made have been first and foremost for enforcement, not quality control reasons.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]However, at least the strength of cannabis has been measured in terms of THC per gram of sample? Sadly, no it hasn't.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]In 2005, UKCIA asked the government's anti drug advertising agency "Talk to Frank" how cannabis strength is measured, we were asked to write to the Home Office:[/FONT]
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[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]UKCIA question:[/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Further to a phone chat today (Thursday 19th May) to one of your people[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I've been hearing a lot about the strength of cannabis of late. This strength has been quoted as "percent THC", can you explain what this means?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]With alcohol, strength is measured in percent alcohol by volume (%ABV), but clearly the THC in cannabis doesn't amount to 10% of the volume nor of the weight, so what is it a percentage of?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]As a follow-up question, cannabis isn't simply THC, the other main component is CBD which is known to modify the effects of THC. I have also
seen this ratio reported as a percentage, so how is the ratio of THC to CBD measured?
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Many thanks[/FONT]
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[TD="width: 50%"][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Home Office reply:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thank you for your email of 19 May which has been passed to me for reply.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The percent THC is the weight for weight of THC in the dry cannabis sample selected for analysis. A fresh cannabis plant contains a lower proportion
of THC as fresh plant material contains a lot of water.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]THC is the main active constituent of cannabis. The.proportion of other constituents of cannabis is therefore not of interest in terms of potency.
The THC acid (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinolic acid) is converted to THC when cannabis is heated (e.g. in a cigarette) so some scientists use gas chromatography (GC) analysis to measure THC. This method. effectively measures the total available THC, as the sample is heated in the injection port of the GC.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ratios of cannabinoids are sometimes measured when comparing cannabis samples. The ratios are relative responses.obtained by the particular method of analysis and so do not directly relate to actual ratios of the percentage compositions. Absolute proportions of CBD would not normally be measured.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Richard Mullins
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So what does the above tell us?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"The percent THC is the weight for weight of THC in the dry cannabis sample selected for analysis. A fresh cannabis plant contains a lower proportion of THC as fresh plant material contains a lot of water."[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It's unclear what they mean by "dry". Plant material, of the sort you might buy from your dealer - even if dry in the normal sense - is still composed largely of water, so what do they mean by "dry"? It would seem that what they're talking about is a desiccated sample, that is a sample in which all the water has been removed, in effect destroying the biomass material, leaving the oils produced by the plant. We did ask for confirmation on this point, but received no answer.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It's also worth pointing out here that the measurement is actually referred to as "potency", not strength. This careful use of words is typical of the Home Office when it's being economical with the truth. The reason this is important is because the amount of oils the plant produces is not a constant fraction of the overall weight. It will depend on which part of the plant is sampled and how it's grown.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So the measurement they make is a percentage by weight of the oils in the sample, not of the overall weight of the sample.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Is potency directly comparable to strength? It's not clear that it is. In which case, the strength of cannabis over the years has never really been measured. It's also apparent from the reply that no standard system for making the measurement has been employed ("some scientists use gas chromatography")[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Based on this type of measuring regime, it's clear that making meaningful conclusions about changes in strength is going to be difficult.[/FONT]
[h=2][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]How are samples selected for measurement?[/FONT][/h][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Here we hit perhaps the biggest problem as no statistically valid monitoring of the cannabis on sale has ever happened. What measurements have been taken have been made on samples seized by the police in raids. How representative these samples are of the general situation is unknown, but as a sampling method it wouldn't be considered reliable enough for serious scientific analysis.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So: to recap:[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The property measured - "potency" - bears an uncertain relation to "strength"
There has been no standard methodology for making the measurements over the years.
The samples measured are unlikely to be a statistically valid sample.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]So what conclusions can be drawn from all this?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The most authoritative study in recent times was conducted by the European Monitoring Centre for Drugs and Drug Addiction in 2004 - read it here.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The report makes it clear that the data is somewhat unreliable and it's therefore difficult to draw firm conclusions, but it accepts there has always been strong cannabis which can compare to today's offerings. It makes the point that home grown is going to be fresher and thus stronger (cannabis "goes off" with time as the THC breaks down).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]There is undoubtedly some strong cannabis available these days, but there always has been. It's reasonable to suppose that, because it's fresher there will be a higher proportion of stronger samples (= better quality), but overall there is no evidence to support the claims of a massive increase in strength.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It should also be mentioned that commercial supplies of cannabis - herbal and hash - are often highly contaminated these days, a direct result of police action aimed at disrupting the supply. It's therefore obvious that most consumers aren't getting the higher value strong product.[/FONT]
[h=2][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Has there been any other change in Cannabis over the years?[/FONT][/h][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The most obvious change in recent times in the UK has been the move from imported hash to "home grown" herbal. Originally of course, cannabis was grown outside in fields by people who had a long social history of using it, they knew what they were growing. These days most of the cannabis supplied commercially is grown intensively under lights, perhaps with the use of chemicals such as pesticides. The motivation for large scale grow ops of course is turnover and profit. How these plants compare with the original truly organic product is unknown. As we've never monitored the total composition of the product, we have no way of knowing if there is a difference.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]It should be pointed out however that the cannabis grown under lights is still cannabis. Despite some claims in the press, it isn't "genetically engineered" or otherwise mutated. However, it's also fair to point out that the strains have been selected to grow well under these conditions.[/FONT]
[h=2][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Conclusion[/FONT][/h][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]No-one has a clue what's going on to be blunt. Prohibition has prevented any proper monitoring of the commercial supply and it's produced a potentially significant change in the way the cannabis is grown.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The original supply of naturally grown cannabis has been all but eradicated because of prohibition and prohibition has created the market for the new versions of so-called "skunk".[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Given that the present regime is the root of so many uncertainties and the cause of so much ignorance, the Independent on Sunday's new found support for prohibition makes little sense.[/FONT]
 
The percantage of THC should be based on the total dried weight of the bud tested. For example if it's 18% then out of 100 grams of weed 18 grams would be THC. Or at least that how I've been taught.

Abandon the scamming scientists and bring back the Smoko Reportos

NO this is the problem!!! If 18 grams of THC in 100 grams of weed then they call it 2 million % THC, the plant would be growing crystals! It is totally impossible. Tokers are being led astray by fake scientists looking for budgets and free pot. The percentage is supposed to be a percentage of Cannabinoid and Terpenoid profile
 
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