I have 7 Dutch Passion Auto white widow in tga super soil and happy frog as base. I use a 4" x 1' PVC as a guide to make 4" daimater of base soil all the way to bottom of pot. This way I can plant directly into final pot with out risk of frying my seedkings. They are under 1000w mh/hps iPower in 5x5 Apollo tent and 6" iPower fan & filter combo. I will upload some pictures as soon as there is something to look at.
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Auto white widow - tga super soil - 1000w hid
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All the little ones poked there heads up yesterday. Still not much to look at, but I decided to post a couple pictures anyway. One is of the room, one of a seedling, and the other of what I'm using for my beneficial teas.
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A4
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Glad to have you with us bro! Very nice setup and I am happy to see some different soil be used too. Looks like your going to be using some amendments as well? Are those 3 gallon pots or 5? It is hard to tell from the picture.
I noticed your other posts were in "Indoor Growing" which explains why I never seen them before. Glad to have you set up shop in the Organics section! We need more organic growers coming. Let me know if you need anything as I hang out here just about everyday lurking at everyone's grows, lol.
Best of luck with the grow! I am subbed up.
I noticed your other posts were in "Indoor Growing" which explains why I never seen them before. Glad to have you set up shop in the Organics section! We need more organic growers coming. Let me know if you need anything as I hang out here just about everyday lurking at everyone's grows, lol.
Best of luck with the grow! I am subbed up.
Thanks for the welcome A4. I have started a couple journas in " indoor growing" in the past. However, lack of interest from viewers caused me to loose interest. I figured some people in the organic section might be interested at least in how the TGA super soil proforms. This is my second grow with this strain and soil mix. I was very happy with the quality of the finished product. However, the yeild left something to be desired. This time around I will try to keep the over all health of the plants better as I had some lock out issues do to pH last time. I wasn't phing my teas which chased my soil to become very acidic. Obviously something I will change this time around. Also, I will be doing some low stress training. Hopefully I will increase yeild and qualilty. Anyway, thanks for dropping by and good grow karma to you.
A4
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Yeah man, I am very interested in the soil and just happy in general to have more people growing and organic. There are several excellent growers that can help you out along the way if you have some questions or problems. I will go back and have a look at your previous grow in a little bit and see if I can spot anything that may be able to help with this grow.
As for ph'ing the teas, well hmmmm, I will have to look at that. If you aren't just adding tons of amendments you should be good without adjusting ph so long as your soil has good buffering ability. Some people like to "tier" their soil when using supersoil. Like, put the supersoil in the bottom 1/2 of the container, then put a layer of 50% super soil and 50% inert mix like Promix or Sunshine on top of that and then the top layer would be about a 10% supersoil and 90% inert. That will give the young seedling a small amount of nutrients when starting but as the roots grow down and the plant grows up, she breaks into the stronger layers of soil with more nutrients.
The reason I say that is, with super soils and such, that are designed with photoperiods in mind, an excess of nutrients will build up in the soil and cause the soil to turn acidic which will drop the ph too low. Organics will need create an acidic environment just like chemical nutrients, especially when using animal byproducts like guanos, blood meal and such.
You have them in there now so I wouldn't disturb them but I would keep a close eye on the pH all the way through the grow. Measuring runoff and writing it down each time you water we should see a trend and be able to adjust the ph gradually before it gets so bad it injures the plant.
Sorry for all the info, my passion has been true organics the past couple of years and I love to help people with their grows.
As for ph'ing the teas, well hmmmm, I will have to look at that. If you aren't just adding tons of amendments you should be good without adjusting ph so long as your soil has good buffering ability. Some people like to "tier" their soil when using supersoil. Like, put the supersoil in the bottom 1/2 of the container, then put a layer of 50% super soil and 50% inert mix like Promix or Sunshine on top of that and then the top layer would be about a 10% supersoil and 90% inert. That will give the young seedling a small amount of nutrients when starting but as the roots grow down and the plant grows up, she breaks into the stronger layers of soil with more nutrients.
The reason I say that is, with super soils and such, that are designed with photoperiods in mind, an excess of nutrients will build up in the soil and cause the soil to turn acidic which will drop the ph too low. Organics will need create an acidic environment just like chemical nutrients, especially when using animal byproducts like guanos, blood meal and such.
You have them in there now so I wouldn't disturb them but I would keep a close eye on the pH all the way through the grow. Measuring runoff and writing it down each time you water we should see a trend and be able to adjust the ph gradually before it gets so bad it injures the plant.
Sorry for all the info, my passion has been true organics the past couple of years and I love to help people with their grows.
I appreciate the conversation A4. I am also all about the TLO. I do layer my soil. I use a PVC pipe as a guide: I put 2 gal of super soil around the outside of the PVC then fill the center with happy frog to the same level as SS then slide out the pvc and fill the rest of the 5 gal container with happy frog. This way the tap root can shoot straight down with out running into SS. I don't know exactly why the soil became so acidic but sense SS and HP are both so close to nutrual I figure it must be the teas. I do know that when I began to experience pH issues I tested the run off and found it was extremely low between 4-5.
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For sure 
is known for hot soil. Ocean Forrest more than any but I would consider their HF in close to the same category. I don't like them for one reason. They recommend using their Sledge Hammer product with all of their soils because they know the soil is going to have an excess build up of salts and cause the pH to drop. If you read any of their nutrient charts, they all recommend the Sledge Hammer. To me, that is a quick fix to a problem they don't want to fix in their soil. The problem is, when you flush the soil or create drastic changes in true organics you loose a lot of those microbes and beneficial bacteria. That is exactly opposite of what we should be doing, which is nurturing the soil life.
I would assume, the was the cause for your soil drop. Not that it isn't something you can't work with but if you know ahead of time what to look for you can correct slowly and keep everything happy.
is known for hot soil. Ocean Forrest more than any but I would consider their HF in close to the same category. I don't like them for one reason. They recommend using their Sledge Hammer product with all of their soils because they know the soil is going to have an excess build up of salts and cause the pH to drop. If you read any of their nutrient charts, they all recommend the Sledge Hammer. To me, that is a quick fix to a problem they don't want to fix in their soil. The problem is, when you flush the soil or create drastic changes in true organics you loose a lot of those microbes and beneficial bacteria. That is exactly opposite of what we should be doing, which is nurturing the soil life. I would assume, the
was the cause for your soil drop. Not that it isn't something you can't work with but if you know ahead of time what to look for you can correct slowly and keep everything happy.I'm not entirely sure the HP is the problem. It is very close to nutrual out of the bag. Something had to cause the drop in ph. Can it be fert salt build up if I don't add any fert salts? Also, HP is a much lighter mix then OF. It is safe for seedlings which is why I use it. That and its under $20 for 2 cu. ft. bag.
OF. It is safe for seedlings which is why I use it. That and its under $20 for 2 cu. ft. bag.
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Could very well be, I still haven't looked at your other thread. Will do that very shortly. Everything adds up, soil already has nutrients in it, the super soil is called "super soil" for a reason. Most super soils have enough nutrients to get through an entire grow with photoperiods with little to no additions and if you are also adding more nutrients during the grow it is a good possibility that you have entirely too much. If the plant can't take up the nutrients and you aren't watering heavily enough to wash them out then they will convert to salt. Generally excess salts will drop the soil pH between .5 and 1. Much more than that and you have other problems coupled with salt depression.
Day 7
Just a quick update here. Still not much going on this early. They got there first dose of beneficial tea today. I'd like to note I changed a couple of my tea ingredients this time around and I'm very pleased with the results. It brewed up nicely and right around 7 on pH when finished.
Beneficial Tea Recipe
4-5 Gal H2O
2 Tbs Humboldt Honey ES
1.5 Tbs Hygrozyme
1 Tbs Nitrozym
2 Tbs Roots Oregonism XL
Just a quick update here. Still not much going on this early. They got there first dose of beneficial tea today. I'd like to note I changed a couple of my tea ingredients this time around and I'm very pleased with the results. It brewed up nicely and right around 7 on pH when finished.
Beneficial Tea Recipe
4-5 Gal H2O
2 Tbs Humboldt Honey ES
1.5 Tbs Hygrozyme
1 Tbs Nitrozym
2 Tbs Roots Oregonism XL
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