I'm using older V series Vipars but if I had a bigger/higher tent I'd be putting one of these Vipar 900w (600w true) 5w reflector panels in the top and using my older panels for side lighting.
Emillson. Questions and seeking answers is what it's all about, it's unfortunate English is not your first language but you made your point known, sometimes communication isn't the easiest just in written form. You miss a lot of the body language, tone etc.
As far as researching what the best led is, I can assure you from all the forums I've been to and have checked out AFN by far has the most extensive grow logs of different lights and reviews etc... The led section here IMHO is one of the finest sections here at AFN. Just for new users such as yourself looking to get into led for the first time.
I guess sometimes it can get frustrating to the "powers that be" to keep re answering the same question over and over.
Though they may not be a thread with what exactly is the BEST led on the market but there is defintely tons of journals and reviews on site with actual grows using the lights in question.
I think that some of the Chinese lights are worth taking a look at, check out this thread for the most detailed information:
https://www.autoflower.org/f138/leds-direct-china-15081.html
I have gotten a couple of lights from bysen they have been decent but have broken the most of all the LEDs I've tried, though bysen stood by their warranty it was just a lengthy process.
You will NEVER go wrong with a grow northern, they have a new model in the works should be out any day... Worth taking a look into...
You may save a few. Bucks going through a Chinese vendor but what you save in $$$ may end up costing you more in the long run if the light breaks and you need to wait for parts... There is something to be said for buying within the country your from as I'm sure replacements would be much easier. Also important is to read into how the companies customer service is and how well they stand behind their product...
I spent a lot of money on a "Cadillac" of a led at the time and to me it performs the worse of the LEDs I own (the. Solar storm 400.)
The bysens I have are the 135w UFO which is just so so, and thsp111d which is a great light but has failed three times on me though bysen stood behind their product.
Than I have a blackstar 240w led which is just has been a great light. Than the chrome 270w which took some getting use to bit also am happy with that light.
Best of luck in picking out your led. Don't get discouraged and stop asking questions. But also utilize the great information that's alright here at your finger tips.
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As far as researching what the best led is, I can assure you from all the forums I've been to and have checked out AFN by far has the most extensive grow logs of different lights and reviews etc... The led section here IMHO is one of the finest sections here at AFN. Just for new users such as yourself looking to get into led for the first time.
I guess sometimes it can get frustrating to the "powers that be" to keep re answering the same question over and over.
Though they may not be a thread with what exactly is the BEST led on the market but there is defintely tons of journals and reviews on site with actual grows using the lights in question.
I think that some of the Chinese lights are worth taking a look at, check out this thread for the most detailed information:
https://www.autoflower.org/f138/leds-direct-china-15081.html
I have gotten a couple of lights from bysen they have been decent but have broken the most of all the LEDs I've tried, though bysen stood by their warranty it was just a lengthy process.
You will NEVER go wrong with a grow northern, they have a new model in the works should be out any day... Worth taking a look into...
You may save a few. Bucks going through a Chinese vendor but what you save in $$$ may end up costing you more in the long run if the light breaks and you need to wait for parts... There is something to be said for buying within the country your from as I'm sure replacements would be much easier. Also important is to read into how the companies customer service is and how well they stand behind their product...
I spent a lot of money on a "Cadillac" of a led at the time and to me it performs the worse of the LEDs I own (the. Solar storm 400.)
The bysens I have are the 135w UFO which is just so so, and thsp111d which is a great light but has failed three times on me though bysen stood behind their product.
Than I have a blackstar 240w led which is just has been a great light. Than the chrome 270w which took some getting use to bit also am happy with that light.
Best of luck in picking out your led. Don't get discouraged and stop asking questions. But also utilize the great information that's alright here at your finger tips.
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AndyBotwin
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emilsson, after reading your rant it is clear to me that you do not understand the meaning of a community. We are all here helping each other, giving, taking, and contributing in some way. AFN is not your personal answer service, we do not work for you, and it is not our obligation to do all your research for you. You have started numerous threads about the same topic, and I went back through your post history and did not find ONE post that was not related to YOU and your needs/desires/questions. You sent out mass PMs looking for mentors and we helped you with that also. I strongly suggest that you get out there and start participating in the site - visit some grows, spread some good cheer, and be a part of the community. That is how we operate whether you like it or not.
What makes you think that you can come here and demand answers without contributing anything in return? To say that Muddy kills people's dreams because he asked you to do some research on your own? That's just silly. Muddy has helped thousands of growers over the years and it's a slap in the face for you to even make such comments. You have no idea what people on this site do to help growers, cancer patients, and many others, so please keep your accusations to yourself. You don't get what you want, when you want it so you throw a tantrum on the forum? Give me a break.
In the time I've been here, I have seen dozens if not hundreds of growers start from nothing and produce great plants. Sure, they asked questions but they also did thier own homework and realized that some things you have to learn from experience, not just asking the same questions over and over. Sorry to be so blunt, but you need to seriously assess whether or not you are willing to be a true member of this community, because right now you are doing it wrong.
What makes you think that you can come here and demand answers without contributing anything in return? To say that Muddy kills people's dreams because he asked you to do some research on your own? That's just silly. Muddy has helped thousands of growers over the years and it's a slap in the face for you to even make such comments. You have no idea what people on this site do to help growers, cancer patients, and many others, so please keep your accusations to yourself. You don't get what you want, when you want it so you throw a tantrum on the forum? Give me a break.
In the time I've been here, I have seen dozens if not hundreds of growers start from nothing and produce great plants. Sure, they asked questions but they also did thier own homework and realized that some things you have to learn from experience, not just asking the same questions over and over. Sorry to be so blunt, but you need to seriously assess whether or not you are willing to be a true member of this community, because right now you are doing it wrong.
jackmc
Killing them softley
Well said! I'd give you a REP if I could figure out how to.
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as I said, did not say it was meant personally against Muddy!
then it becomes misunderstanding is logically through that I'm the worst at writing English.
just said it may be that people do not dare to continue with his dream to get the answer I got.
let people ask ..
but you are right just like he is right.
of course I want to participate but what can I contribute?
but know I want to contribute with things myself and not done things I've read on?
exactly why I asked for a mentor and am thankful I got that help.
why I do my own culture.
Late able to give back to the AFN.
with my own experiences.
until then, I would not talk about so much, but actually most teach myself things. there is no offense against the community or muddy or you or anyone.
just like with anything else in life you learn and then you teach so you do not learn the wrong things.
I do not want people to do wrong because of me.
do not sit to talk about mass led lights and auto seeds when I never even grown with it?
then I will just say things I've read on.
it feels very wrong.
but I already told you what to do.
'll take care of myself and then take me back and help others.
stop asking and actually end up mass posts and give back to the community with my culture diary.
then able to answer questions that I myself have experienced.
have even said they could remove my threads about everything apart (me just me)
will not create more.
then sit down and actually shut up and learn in silence instead.
do not take things personally takes me criticism I get from you and thank you for saying this, and all have their say. ALL must be able to have their say!
and desire seems to be this search customer partnerships myself and then I will.
'm not going to argue against you.
you are old school, but sometimes you can also think of how to answer people.
he could have asked me.
or sent a private email instead of typing that.
there are better ways to talk to people, I think.
but I will always stand up for people to have the right to inquire.
also how hard it may be that someone can ask for much.
where I let not my position.
question should you get even if it is just for their own sake.
for sputtered'll give it back in the future.
I will do anyway.
and of course I ask lot of I want mass.
Of course I do, but if you read everything I've written so you will also see I want to do this to be the best and be able to give back future,
first lesson learned to listen and be quiet and do not ask for much.
and now I do not so I will argue with anyone about it, but am grateful and I still AFN is the best community I stand also.
there is a reason I'm here? it to teach me!
taught me just stop asking so much and start working so that is what I will do.
I read so much and idagar if not weeks following information and e-mailed the company after company and of course it's up to me to learn but I am trying the way that works best for me.
by asking.
and is it so that it does not work here because I learned to be quiet and apologize and learn by my own mistakes.
I'm not here to start discussing bitching and stuff.
I do like the positive energy but like most people to have the right question.
but it is my fault also become so large by this and I take me out of it and learn from it.
in that it was me that started all the threads and I who asked the question so then I apologize for that and mean it may, I should like beginners not asking that much.
so sorry and sorry to muddy and everyone else who took offense at.
did not mean anything by that question and did not mean anything by what I wrote ..
wrote it clearly, it's nothing personal but you do not know who is sitting behind the computer.
"mean no harm by what I write and definitely think you have a right to say to me but next time ask in kind instead. so you get a better response back"
perhaps a cancer sick person or a person who chases his dream and becomes afraid of the answer it receives.
but I let go of this and apologize instead.
but out of everything bad comes something good.
SO like I said sorry.
I'm not going to discuss this more for it only creates bad energy on the forum and I did not want to create, begin typing here.
so last time sorry and have a great day and as I always say is grateful for the help I got it facilitates that said a lot to me and certainly for others too.
smile and be happy
best regards
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jackmc
Killing them softley
Emilsson59, I have a TopLED Mars II 700W in a meter square tent and really like it. I am a real value shopper and could not find a better value in the US. My light cost $309 delivered. The Mars IIs have Cree 5W LEDs which are housed in a metal box with a couple of built in fans that are kind of noisy. I've only used the light for one grow but it ran 24/7 for the first month and for 20hrs a day for the balance. All of the bulbs are still working and it's throwing a lot of light again for my second grow. Good luck!
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thanks will check them and read about them but thank you for sharing your experience
I always appreciate it
best regards
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