Lol, thanks bro! Not sure if you remember the Northern Lights or the Skywalker, but both of those were decent size for me and both were done straight to soil. The last two I've tried to tier, I've stunted. So lol, take the operator out of the equation and they do just fine? Seems to have the best results so far lol! Thanks for the advice Trip, sorry I kinda fk'd it up dude...