Live Stoner Chat CO2 Production

[Son of Hobbes]

i wouldnt use white sugar lol

I guess that's the first thing that popped into my head lol iggy Hug:

 

[TxOld Dude]

Hey bro you can disagree without dissing on anyone : You've got an opinion and you're presenting debatable data that could shed some light on some things or open up some new perspectives! So disagree onward haha :tiphat:

That said, I disagree with some of your disagreements. :roflcry:

So, without further adieu, a gentleman's debate:

Outstanding! In some forums people can get real twisted on disagreements. Here I figure just lay back 'n chill. but jus' makin' sure.

Items:

1.

I do not believe I ever said anything about CO2 displacing H20; but reading through my response I should have clarified; you can concentrate a volume of H20 with CO2 which can cause harmful effects in high amounts. The water molecules mix with the carbon dioxide molecules at the surface of the water, but raising the amounts of CO2 gas that's exchanged in the water raises the ppm; which can have adverse effects on the H20...

You didn't and neither did I. I was speaking of CO2 displacing O2 in H2O in general and referring to using normal concentrations as supplemental, which works great for aquariums, but not for hydro, in which higher concentrations could be used. But the liquid carbon method is more efficient and less expensive. As for CO2 displacing atmospheric O2, we know that as a "given". Remember Apollo 13 and any submarine disaster, hell any enclosed space becomes a hazard/death trap, even with O2 present due to high CO2 concentrations. My job requires me to certify for "Confined Spaces" which is part of my hazmat training.
*NOTE: Any of you guys new to CO2, you CANNOT enter an enclosed high CO2 environment like a greenhouse or tent (I'm talking above safe ppm levels) you will first pass out and be DEAD in MINUTES. So DON'T DO IT WITHOUT THE PROPER EQUIPMENT AND PRE-VENTILATION BEFORE ENTRY!! Go cheap? Get dead.

But I digress...

2.

Actually, it does change the pH; it's the matter of how it changes the pH.

This is a quote taken from the Skeptical Aquarist (love these names):

Dissolved carbon dioxide is correlated with the pH scale. The carbon dioxide dissolved in water has even more effect than the oxygen. Oxygen remains as an O2 molecule, whether it's in its gas phase or in solution, but when CO2 is dissolved in water, a small proportion of it reacts chemically with H2O to form carbonic acid, H2CO3. (There's no mystery about that: just add up the six atoms.) In water carbonic acid dissociates rapidly to form a H+ ion and HCO2 (bicarbonate), so it affects the carbonate equilibrium, and pH values change as a result.


I won't argue that it's quite possible for roots to take in CO2. Anything's possible. I'm just saying that, for instance, if I wanted vitamins from a tomato, I could take that tomato and rub it all over my near Brad Pitt-like chiseled naked body and hope my body absorbs those vitamins through my skin; or I could just eat the tomato and be done with it.

I'll give you that one, but are we talking about supplemental levels or super-concentrating? And the bicarbonate should re-balance as the roots uptake carbon (speculation).
As for the "skeptical" part, I'll save that one for the Pitt statement! LOL! Just kidding!
Honestly, I wouldn't use a CO2 bubbler with liquid carbon forms available. It makes better sense financially.

3.

We know that the most CO2 is used during photosynthesis where it is taken in by the stomata on the underside of the leaves (I believe some aquatic plants have their stomata located elsewhere.) We know that roots need oxygen. I think we can agree that atmospheric CO2 enrichment is generally good in the right doses.

Partially incorrect. Read your previous quote on carbonic acid and there's your answer for that (water plants and roots in water/hydro). It's the carbon they want, not CO2. The CO2 is a convenient molecule to give them which becomes carbonic acid; still a carbon-based molecule.

This was the original question:

CO2 Production
I think we've all heard the method taking water, sugar and active yeast and placing it into our grow rooms. CO2 is the result of this. Has anyone done this with noticeable results?

We just kind of took this and ran

Nothing like a good HIJACKING! (with a splif!)
:smokebuds:


Fish :Cool:

 

[TxOld Dude]

Yes it is but how thinned out is it in your water? (VH: that was my first thought too!) Have to agree tho about the yeast. It' just easier to mix it in can, cup jug, whatever, and let 'er rip. Or use a carbon suppliment in your watering.

Definitely gonna try that Florish Excel (VERY SOON!).

 

[Smokey]

:Holy Moly: this has turned into a full blown debate :stylez rasta smoke: .... so i think we gona have to sumarise this stuff and make it more simple .... all the posts & posts with quotes have started to become a bit confusing...

If someone would do the honors please, so far it has been discussed Co2 for soil , enviroment and DIY Co2 production methods ......

 

[Rp365]

Wow had to stop reading and burn one to finish this thread! Extremely interesting! I tried this yeast method and was going to use it again helped my plants. After a read here I know why or I think i do. My last three the first three autos I grew I an old Rv I divided the Rv into a grow room on one side and storage on the other side. The way I vented the room was in effect a box beside a box with one room venting out to the other then back into the room. I used the hose to fan method to blow the co2 to the plants. I think it works, that's just my conclusion after raising the same strain one time without and one with all other factors being the same.