Indoor Growing Scrog

[BII]

One of my main concerns/problems is limited tent/growing space, and related to that limitations on number of plants that can be grown and total yield/weight. With the 420 method, I simply have to give up growing variety, only have space for 1-2 plants vs. 5-6. From prior comments, the 420 method provides better overall quality (no or less larf). So with 420 get better quality but with less or hardly any variety. But how does it compare to other common growing methods in terms of productivity, particularly yield (prime bud weight) per sq. ft.?

For ex., how does the 420 method compare vs. say growing (as I do) in coco/perlite, fitting-in more plants, doing LST and having a full mostly level canopy? Or vs. much the opposite of 420, Sea of Green/SOG, essentially jamming in as many smaller vertical stemmed plants as possible?

 

[DOA]

One or my main concerns/problems is tent/growing space. With the 420 method, I simply have to give up growing variety, only have space of likely 1-2 plants. From prior comments, the 420 method apparently provides better overall quality (no or less larf). But how does it compare to other common growing methods in terms of productivity, yield (prime bud weight) per sq. ft.?

For ex., how does the 420 method compare vs. fitting-in more plants, doing LST and having a full mostly level canopy? Or vs. much the opposite of 420, Sea of Green/SOG, essentially jamming in as many smaller vertical stemmed plants as possible.

I have not personally seen a method of cultivating a plant to yield more grams per watt in any grow space than the 420Method. Variety is not an issue, just plant a different cultivar every 12 weeks. Using the 420 method on a perpetual cycle will give you so much top shelf product you'll have a job getting through it all. I end up literally just making edibles as there's just to much for me to store, It's a nice problem to have

 

[BII]

I have not personally seen a method of cultivating a plant to yield more grams per watt in any grow space than the 420Method. Variety is not an issue, just plant a different cultivar every 12 weeks. Using the 420 method on a perpetual cycle will give you so much top shelf product you'll have a job getting through it all. I end up literally just making edibles as there's just to much for me to store, It's a nice problem to have

OK, you get "more grams per watt," but how about grams/sq. ft.? How much to do you get and how big is the tent?

I disagree with your view of 420 method providing variety. I'd be growing likely one quarter or less the number of plants/strains per grow or year, such as growing 1-2 plants ≤4-times per year, 8/year at most. This is as many as I can grow in a single grow currently with my rather mainstream approach (multiple-times more plants in coco with LST).

 

[Sawney_bean]

I have been growing photos for a while, I got back on here because I have a yearning for variation, so was planning to grow some autos soon.

Then I see these 420autoflower pictures on instagram, and now I found a full tutorial!
I will be emulating this in a DWC bucket soon!

If you need something different to grow I can help ️
420autoflower has grown loads of my strains so I'm happy to help you back in to autos again. Dm me .

 

[Wian]

If you need something different to grow I can help ️
420autoflower has grown loads of my strains so I'm happy to help you back in to autos again. Dm me .

Thanks, I need to patiently wait for room to free up before I start, after that I need to do some testing and stuff. after that I might get back to You!

 

[GasPlease]

I apologize if Im asking the same question as others. Trying to find the info between all the pics has been tough. Couldnt find it with search either. Is there a preferred way to keep the top bent over? As in what do you do with the new growth. Spiral it around the base tight? Gently curve? straight one direction?

 

[GasPlease]

This is my sour diesel auto from barneys. Almost lights out end of day 11. Are there any opinions about using this strain for 420scrog?

 

[Dab]

I apologize if Im asking the same question as others. Trying to find the info between all the pics has been tough. Couldnt find it with search either. Is there a preferred way to keep the top bent over? As in what do you do with the new growth. Spiral it around the base tight? Gently curve? straight one direction?

I like the stake method until the head reaches the side of the pot then tie to there. Usually just pull down from side of pot typically by the time you need wider tie down spots is about the time you add scrog net

Notes from here:

The 420 method is a lot different than your typical scrog. If you thumb through the thread you can see that my autos are grown naturally with basic LST started around day 15 and then completely flattened out down to the base of the stock during preflower, which is not done in your average scrog. The net in a typical scrog is used to even out a canopy or cola support and with the 420 method the net is for training only. There is also no lollippoping under the net like you see people do in a regular scrog and a lot more defoliation/canopy maintenance is required with the 420method. There’s absolutely no waste with this method and even the smallest nodes turn into some of the largest colas on the plant.

Best time to scrog your autos is about 7 days after you see your first pistils. That’ll give you enough preflower time for your small/weaker nodes to grow and stack, but not too much preflower time where they’ll get too tall and pressure you into rescrogging. If you scrog too late and dont have enough preflower time the middle of your canopies will have a hard time filling in and might leave you with some bare spots.

If you’re going for the 420 method timing is very important so good to scrog out your autos 3-5 days after seeing your first preflower pistil or about 10 days after flip with photos. This allows the last remaining stretch to be done under the net and by keeping all your main branches pointing horizontal the energy will be diverted to the smaller nodes in the middle which helps create a nice canopy of colas.

5-7 days after your first pistils show with autos

I’m constantly defoliating starting from day 20 but I do my first leaf strip (schwazz) when I’m prepping them for the net. I’ll do 2 to 3 more during flower but it all depends on how much foliage each individual plant grows. The first Critical Orange Punch I just posted required 4 schwazzings to get her to where she is and the other Critical Orange Punch only needed 3 rounds, so the amount of pruning varies from plant to plant.

I bend the main top over with a bent coat hanger stake at day 16 and keep the top pinned down for a couple weeks which helps promote more mains and a lot more side branching and I’m also guaranteed the largest kolas from not topping.


I flatten the plants out about 5-7 days after I see my first preflower pistil and that usually gives me another couple weeks of preflower stretch to help my weaker lower nodes stack and grow into huge kolas. Even the nodes at the very bottom of the plant that usually gets picked off (lollipopped) grow into big kolas. If you scrog out to early the lower nodes grow too tall and you end up with more larf from no light penetration in the middle of the plant and if you scrog out to late the lower nodes don’t have enough preflower time to stretch and stack. Timing is very important with this method!

 

[GasPlease]

I had already copied your notes to my desktop but thank you for the help

 

[Antonio_DutchPassion]

One of my main concerns/problems is limited tent/growing space, and related to that limitations on number of plants that can be grown and total yield/weight. With the 420 method, I simply have to give up growing variety, only have space for 1-2 plants vs. 5-6. From prior comments, the 420 method provides better overall quality (no or less larf). So with 420 get better quality but with less or hardly any variety. But how does it compare to other common growing methods in terms of productivity, particularly yield (prime bud weight) per sq. ft.?

For ex., how does the 420 method compare vs. say growing (as I do) in coco/perlite, fitting-in more plants, doing LST and having a full mostly level canopy? Or vs. much the opposite of 420, Sea of Green/SOG, essentially jamming in as many smaller vertical stemmed plants as possible?

Interesting one would that be mate yeah but tbh doing/comparing this with autoflowers makes no real sense with autoflowers, each seed can be different/different phenotype, only way to do this is with clones from photoperiods. Growing a single auto, comparing it to lets say a SOG with 36 auto's is just luck of the draw to which one is picked.

OK, you get "more grams per watt," but how about grams/sq. ft.? How much to do you get and how big is the tent?

I disagree with your view of 420 method providing variety. I'd be growing likely one quarter or less the number of plants/strains per grow or year, such as growing 1-2 plants ≤4-times per year, 8/year at most. This is as many as I can grow in a single grow currently with my rather mainstream approach (multiple-times more plants in coco with LST).

I feel ya mate, matter of perspective too. But if you have limited 'space' and want to grow some variation this method is prob not best for you.

If you really want to go all-in, I would say you estimate gr/watt / m2 (or sq. ft for you USA folk) / Time spent (weeks from start to harvest).
This is the only variable that makes sense to compare it all.