Help! Leaves curling and drooping

[Canaduh]

Canaduh, I'm moving this to the Infirmary, best place for such issues!

This droopy posture is usually from either over or under watering; was there a dry-out to the point of drooping, or consistent heavy watering? Roots get damaged in either case, causing them to slow uptake of water and nutes until roots regenerate and recover,... As for the nute's, which organic line are you using, dosage and frequency? She does look pale overall,... what lights and distance are you running? I see some color on the newest growth, sometime normal, but can be indicative of overly strong light,... Also, soil pH is always something to consider! It must be managed, organic nutes or not contrary to popular misconception,... do you have a pH meter (for liquids)? I recommend getting a soil pH probe like the Accurate 8.... Good news is, she' not showing any spotting or dead patches, just the pale color,.. pot size likely isn't a factor here, other than limiting her size some; root cramping has to become pretty severe to cause issues, and this plant isn't near the edge of that IMO,... get me the info here, and we'll see what the next step should be,...

I was looking for the infirmary when I posted, but couldn't find it. Call me old and technologically unsavvy.

I tend to water when the pot feels light. I don't typically let things get overly dry and I don't ever over water...at least I don't think so. The pots I was using have the snap-on trays on the bottom. I removed those this afternoon, added a tray and lifted the plants with a grill to allow water to run through and collect underneath without getting pulled back into the soil. I'm hoping this will solve part of my problem.

Lights are: 1 Mars 300 hung about 12-14" from the canopy, 1 2 lamp T5 fixture running 6500K (within a few inches) and two smaller 24 watt Mars LED par 38 lamps, about 16" away.

I'm doing my nutrients a little different. My wife runs a very active 120 gallon fresh water fish tank. Every other watering has come from there, typically when it's at its dirtiest, before a water change. I've added no nutrients otherwise besides a tea made with bat guano (about 3 tablespoons). That I did earlier this week.

I don't have a Ph probe. I was wondering if it was a ph problem, but I keep getting confused by the fact that I have two plants getting the same feedings at the same dosage. One is doing tremendously well. The other not so much. That being said, the Cheese, which is struggling a little now, did better initially.

I'll snap a few pictures of my setup. Maybe that'll help a little.


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[Canaduh]

My setup. Sorry about the crappy picture, it's a tight spot.


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[jingo]

Does your wife pH the fish tank? I keep my wife's about pH 7. With all your peat wich is very low pH, that fish water was probably a benefit because your root zone was likely way too low pH, but now you may have got your pH in the medium too high.

 

[Canaduh]

Does your wife pH the fish tank? I keep my wife's about pH 7. With all your peat wich is very low pH, that fish water was probably a benefit because your root zone was likely way too low pH, but now you may have got your pH in the medium too high.

That she does not. She has that thing down to a science. As long as the fish are happy, she's happy.


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[jingo]

Usually fish will start to suffer if the pH falls below 6.5, so it is probably neutral pH.

 

[witchyhour]

Canaduh, I'm moving this to the Infirmary, best place for such issues!

This droopy posture is usually from either over or under watering; was there a dry-out to the point of drooping, or consistent heavy watering? Roots get damaged in either case, causing them to slow uptake of water and nutes until roots regenerate and recover,... As for the nute's, which organic line are you using, dosage and frequency? She does look pale overall,... what lights and distance are you running? I see some color on the newest growth, sometime normal, but can be indicative of overly strong light,... Also, soil pH is always something to consider! It must be managed, organic nutes or not contrary to popular misconception,... do you have a pH meter (for liquids)? I recommend getting a soil pH probe like the Accurate 8.... Good news is, she' not showing any spotting or dead patches, just the pale color,.. pot size likely isn't a factor here, other than limiting her size some; root cramping has to become pretty severe to cause issues, and this plant isn't near the edge of that IMO,... get me the info here, and we'll see what the next step should be,...

Does anyone else feel like it could be a combination of things, including heat/light stress? The way the claws are, the scaling of the leaves.

If I live to be 100, I won't be as knowledgeable as some people here...but when I look at those leaves, I see drooping, which could be whatever; but I also see signs that I read as light/heat stress. Maybe deficiencies are causing symptoms similar to heat stress?

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[Waira]

:smoking: Indeed Witchy, that's why I asked about the lights, and noted the color burnishing on newest growth,... IMO, the pale color is more about the nutrition issue than the light, but it's a factor! I see no other more strongly suggestive symptoms like edge rolling and elevated teeth tips, burn spots at this area too (from overdriven transpiration, and the consequent build-up of certain nute elements, particularly K, at these exit points for water-- besides stomata on leaf surfaces) ... drooping is almost always a root issue, too dry/wet, damaged physically or from dry/wet conditions... I have had a few plants that took this posture for no apparent reason, outside, and never really changed back- ..... A note about heat/light/transpiration stress: if it gets bad enough, the plant closes up the stomata in order to reduce severe water loss; when that happens, the transportation highway from the roots to tops grinds to a near halt; if it stays like that long enough, localized nute' defc.'s can start showing,...


>> Cananduh, thanks for the info,... I forgot to ask what the T and RH are! ... The Mars 300 is a little too close, I think Mars recommends 18+" during bloom....
OK, fish tank water is not a good source, mate, it's a rather incomplete nute profile, and if she uses algicide, any water treatments like ammonia-locking stuff, medicine, etc., those can be bad for the plants and/or soil microbes,... mostly, it's poor nutrition profile that's the problem; no micronutrients, S, Ca, Mg, minimal P and K, etc.,... N is about it really, depending on the water source... bat poo is usually P, sometimes some K as well, but again, incomplete (what's the PK numbers for yours?)... the pale color is likely partly from certain defc.'s in S and maybe even N, as the amount going in is totally unknown.. worse, many of the nute elements work with each other in efficient uptake and metabolizing, so if certain ones are lacking, others, even if present, may not be getting proceesed well enough to keep up with demands,... You need some proper nutes! Roots Organic and General Organics make good bottled stuff,... As younger, smaller plants their demands were proportionately low, plus the soil helped, but now that they're bigger, and the soil is getting weaker, demands are getting past what is getting supplied...
pH is everything, so to not monitor it and have what you need to dial in your water and nute soln., is a real gamble; off pH issues are the [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] problem I see here! ... also, what happens in-pot is yet another issue, with all that affects pH in there--roots, microbes, the nutes themselves (N source is a biggie: NO3-, NH4+, etc.)... I recommend getting the Accurate 8 soil pH probe for this,... do you have a pH meter for liquids? ... here's a good chart showing relative nutrient availabilities across pH range-->

 

[hongkongfuey]

I'd get a bucket&drop her in another5--6inches of 50coco&50soil, if you haven't overwatered the roots will love the extra space,if your roots are happy the plant is generally happy&HEALTHY...

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[Canaduh]

I'd get a bucket&drop her in another5--6inches of 50coco&50soil, if you haven't overwatered the roots will love the extra space,if your roots are happy the plant is generally happy&HEALTHY...

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I've thought about doing that, but from my understanding autos don't transplant well. If this isn't the case then I'll happily move her. I was tossing the idea around anyway.


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[hongkongfuey]

Just don't water the day before you transplant then the football is dry on the outside&keeps the shape of the original pot&just drop it into the hole you make with the original pot then water it very well&it will settle in no trouble mate[emoji6][emoji4]

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