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Help! Leaves curling and drooping
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:smoking: Indeed Witchy, that's why I asked about the lights, and noted the color burnishing on newest growth,... IMO, the pale color is more about the nutrition issue than the light, but it's a factor! I see no other more strongly suggestive symptoms like edge rolling and elevated teeth tips, burn spots at this area too (from overdriven transpiration, and the consequent build-up of certain nute elements, particularly K, at these exit points for water-- besides stomata on leaf surfaces) ... drooping is almost always a root issue, too dry/wet, damaged physically or from dry/wet conditions... I have had a few plants that took this posture for no apparent reason, outside, and never really changed back-..... A note about heat/light/transpiration stress: if it gets bad enough, the plant closes up the stomata in order to reduce severe water loss; when that happens, the transportation highway from the roots to tops grinds to a near halt; if it stays like that long enough, localized nute' defc.'s can start showing,...
>> Cananduh, thanks for the info,... I forgot to ask what the T and RH are! ... The Mars 300 is a little too close, I think Mars recommends 18+" during bloom....
OK, fish tank water is not a good source, mate, it's a rather incomplete nute profile, and if she uses algicide, any water treatments like ammonia-locking stuff, medicine, etc., those can be bad for the plants and/or soil microbes,... mostly, it's poor nutrition profile that's the problem; no micronutrients, S, Ca, Mg, minimal P and K, etc.,... N is about it really, depending on the water source... bat poo is usually P, sometimes some K as well, but again, incomplete (what's the PK numbers for yours?)... the pale color is likely partly from certain defc.'s in S and maybe even N, as the amount going in is totally unknown.. worse, many of the nute elements work with each other in efficient uptake and metabolizing, so if certain ones are lacking, others, even if present, may not be getting proceesed well enough to keep up with demands,... You need some proper nutes! Roots Organic and General Organics make good bottled stuff,... As younger, smaller plants their demands were proportionately low, plus the soil helped, but now that they're bigger, and the soil is getting weaker, demands are getting past what is getting supplied...
pH is everything, so to not monitor it and have what you need to dial in your water and nute soln., is a real gamble; off pH issues are the [HASHTAG]#1[/HASHTAG] problem I see here! ... also, what happens in-pot is yet another issue, with all that affects pH in there--roots, microbes, the nutes themselves (N source is a biggie: NO3-, NH4+, etc.)... I recommend getting the Accurate 8 soil pH probe for this,... do you have a pH meter for liquids? ... here's a good chart showing relative nutrient availabilities across pH range--> View attachment 706312
Wow, that's a lot of info to take in. It looks like I should be purchasing a pH probe! As for the Mars 300, I checked their recommendations this morning. For flower they recommend 12-18". I'm closer to the 12" mark, so I'll bump it up another 4" or so.
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Update on progression so far. I took the advice and did a 30%+ run-off when I watered last night. I left the nutrients out of the equation for now. My intentions were to try and balance out the pH.
Here are the results about 2 hours later:
She perked right up! [emoji4]
I'll start introducing nutrients on the next feeding.
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Here are the results about 2 hours later:
She perked right up! [emoji4]
I'll start introducing nutrients on the next feeding.
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That's great news, sounds like a root zone problem clearing up [emoji106]Update on progression so far. I took the advice and did a 30%+ run-off when I watered last night. I left the nutrients out of the equation for now. My intentions were to try and balance out the pH.
Here are the results about 2 hours later:
She perked right up! [emoji4]
I'll start introducing nutrients on the next feeding.
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mmmhh, you likely had a dry patch in there! it's weird, counterintuitive sometimes, but if a area of soil gets too dry, it can become hydrophobic, and when you water, it just runs right around it mostly,... a major watering like this can help, better still, get a wetting agent, like Coco-Wet or something, to help break the water or nute soln.'s surface tension, and it'll go right through it! I have to do this on occasion with my outside plants when weather conditions are making for rapid dry-out! If you have something like a root tonic, or Superthrive, Jump Start, which have some vit's and rooting hormones in it, this will speed recovery along faster,... yup, get mild nutes going next watering cycle,...
Just a quick update before a more lengthy update. Over the last few days I found my girl was still struggling quite a bit. She'd start to droop within 24 hours, even with damp soil. I made the decision to pop her into a bigger pot. Observations on removal from the small pot were this: Root Bound! It was so white with roots that couldn't tell there was soil in there. The amount of soil left in the bottom of the pot wouldn't have amounted to half a tea spoon. I dropped her into a 3 gallon pot with EWC, compost, sphagnum peat and perlite. I'll let you know if there's been any change when I get home from work in a few hours.
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... Ah! It seems different strains can have variable rooting mass, and tolerances, just like most everything else about auto's,... from just looking at plant vs pot size, I didn't think it was that bad, certainly not when you see what some other folks' monsters in tight shoes have been like! But then again, they may not have been in plastic (non breathing) pots, but were n fabric which allow far better exchange and more even drying,... and as long as you don't beat up the roots, transplanting if fine, it's the damage shock that stunts them! The rooting/stimulant products mentioned would be perfect right about now,...
Ya, I'll be adding some root stimulant on the next watering. I only heard about the fabric pots after I started my grow....I don't get out much [emoji6]. I'll give them a go on my next run though, they seem far superior.
Here's a question for you folks: should I repot my other plant? She's been flowering for about two weeks now and is in the same size too small pot that the other was in. I figured it can't hurt, but why not ask the experts first. The lower leaves are yellowing on her quite quickly.
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