Well I think that because you cant create optimum conditions, or are a new grower, or all of thee above , does not mean that they are lying....Generally when i get a new strain it takes 4 maybe 5 grows of that breed to even start to fine tune what they like.. the breeder's have grown hundreds usually, they have put the time in to finger out what it is those girls like ... so instead of calling them a liar, we should strive to match there skill.... :smokebuds: