New to organics

[Cannaficionado]

So Im making the switch from syn/organic fox farm line to going 100% organic. Im still using fox farm happy frog soil for a medium until its used up.

With that, can I add my dry amendments while prepping, or should I wait for the 2-4 weeks of nutrients in the soil to be just about used up and top dress after 2-3 weeks and go from there? Trying to avoid toxicity and I know with organics you gotta wait for the biome in the soil to break organic components down into available nutrients. I just dont know if adding them to already amended soil would just increase the amount of time before needing to top dress?

Thanks in advance

Ps the nutrients I purchased were down to earth veggie garden 4-4-4 and down to earth flower garden 2-6-5. Both seem to have the right blend of macro, secondary and micro nutes. I dont know if any of this matters but just in case.

 

[Waira]

So Im making the switch from syn/organic fox farm line to going 100% organic. Im still using fox farm happy frog soil for a medium until its used up.

With that, can I add my dry amendments while prepping, or should I wait for the 2-4 weeks of nutrients in the soil to be just about used up and top dress after 2-3 weeks and go from there? Trying to avoid toxicity and I know with organics you gotta wait for the biome in the soil to break organic components down into available nutrients. I just dont know if adding them to already amended soil would just increase the amount of time before needing to top dress?

Thanks in advance

Ps the nutrients I purchased were down to earth veggie garden 4-4-4 and down to earth flower garden 2-6-5. Both seem to have the right blend of macro, secondary and micro nutes. I dont know if any of this matters but just in case.

I do a similar thing with KIS Organics Nute Pack, and their Bloom Booster using Roots Organic original soil...
HF is pretty mild, I'd mix a light charge in...
So the first fork in the road is either do top dressing and/or teas, or mix-in and let cook for few weeks... The latter is what I do to get near-water-only soil.
Top dressing will be done with less inputs vs. cooking up a rich soil. Some really fine ground brands can actually get watered in fairly efficiently ( Roots Org. Terp Tea Grow and Bloom). The KIS stuff in a mix of particle sizes, less desirable for top dressing IMO...
But top dressing lets you watch and read the plant, make changes if/when you have to, like transition into blooming... Downside, it's slower to get in.
The 4-4-4 is pretty rich, N being twice what I see in the Nute Packs NPK #'s (2.5-3.5-1). With auto's, I found the N content can linger too high too long, even some mild toxicity symptoms showing occasionally. The 444 could be wicked if too much gets put in!
This year I tried their BB product (2-8-6) only in the auto's soil, and first round is encouraging in results-- better budding basically, as too much N can adversely effect bud qualities...

It's tricky at first, a learning curve to climb for sure. Mineral salt nutes are largely right now available, which makes tinkering and treating faster in effect; organics that's not the case as you know... And so much depends on your soil life, as they are the chemists at work in there!

 

[Cannaficionado]

I do a similar thing with KIS Organics Nute Pack, and their Bloom Booster using Roots Organic original soil...
HF is pretty mild, I'd mix a light charge in...
So the first fork in the road is either do top dressing and/or teas, or mix-in and let cook for few weeks... The latter is what I do to get near-water-only soil.
Top dressing will be done with less inputs vs. cooking up a rich soil. Some really fine ground brands can actually get watered in fairly efficiently ( Roots Org. Terp Tea Grow and Bloom). The KIS stuff in a mix of particle sizes, less desirable for top dressing IMO...
But top dressing lets you watch and read the plant, make changes if/when you have to, like transition into blooming... Downside, it's slower to get in.
The 4-4-4 is pretty rich, N being twice what I see in the Nute Packs NPK #'s (2.5-3.5-1). With auto's, I found the N content can linger too high too long, even some mild toxicity symptoms showing occasionally. The 444 could be wicked if too much gets put in!
This year I tried their BB product (2-8-6) only in the auto's soil, and first round is encouraging in results-- better budding basically, as too much N can adversely effect bud qualities...

It's tricky at first, a learning curve to climb for sure. Mineral salt nutes are largely right now available, which makes tinkering and treating faster in effect; organics that's not the case as you know... And so much depends on your soil life, as they are the chemists at work in there!

I kinda though it would be a little rich. But I was planning on doing a 2 month veg minimum. I really only grow photos so I figured if I didn't mix in the reccomended amount and say put 50-75% if the reccomended amount that after about 2-3 months it would be pretty depleted. The plan was to top dress about 2 weeks before the switch to flower with the flowering blend.

You're definitely right it is a learning curve and it seems to be something Im gonna have to figure out on my own. I've been trying to look stuff up on organic gardening and theres not a lot of info except super basic stuff. I haven't even looked into compost teas. But you are right I wanna get as close as I can to a water only situation. Im horrible with synthetic nutes, I always have issues with magnesium deficiency during the flip to flower or shortly after the flip. Ive adjusted how much I feed, how often I feed etc and I always end up in the same place by the end of every grow.