New Grower not sure what to do next

[cocolopez]

Trans Siberian auto from Attitude Seed bank
She and her sister are under a combined 270 watts worth of CFLs, mix of 2700 and 6500
In 3-ish gallon "pots" (modified plastic trash cans)
OF soil I cut with some MG Organic (maybe 75/25)
#1 at week 6, #2 at week 3

Here's the issue with #1 ... first off, i nearly killed her at the beginning due to overwater/underwater, inadequate lighting, and a cold ass grow room (basement + northeast + polar vortex = damn chilly). I fixed all that stuff and she pulled through, grew to about 6-7" inches before starting to preflower, and now she's got preflowers all over the place. I noticed the top growth started getting thin leaves and droopy, but thought maybe because it was slowing down in growth. Then couple days ago I noticed the dreaded claw leaf with yellow tips ... figure it has to be nitrogen toxicity. The soil is too hot for the plant, in part because I added in the MG like a digdong and in part because she's so runty that she can't use all the nitrogen that's in the soil. Looking back I guess, her leaves always tended to the dark green side (but one man's dark green is another man's healthy green imo). I haven't added any additional nutes at this point, though I do have big bloom waiting in the wings.

So I kinda panicked and grabbed a gallon of spring water that I had in the kitchen and dumped it in there to give it a mini flush. I tested the run-off with some aquarium water test strips i had and the ph was 6.5-7 with the nitrates completely off the scale (as one would assume).

So my question #1 is: should I let her dry out and do a real flush this weekend? Will that give her enough time to recover given that she's pretty far along. I don't think she's kicked into true flower yet, but the cylaxes are definitely getting bigger and shooting out more pistils. Should I starve her for a bit after or get the big bloom rolling as soon as she's dried out from the full flush? Or just let it go and cross my fingers she'll actually produce something?

question #2: I assume her sister plant is going to run into the same thing since all the enviro elements are the same. The only difference is the plant itself: #2 has had a proper birth and transplantation, and she's produced these big fat first, second, and third leaf sets. It suggests she might grow big enough to actually use all that nitrogen in the soil. But should I flush her anyway just in case? And if so, when would be the best time? When I see the first preflower maybe?

Sorry no pics for now, but any suggestions from the community would be welcome.

 

[cocolopez]

Ok got some pics from my phone, sorry if the quality is not great. Need to dig out my real camera, but lord knows where I put that. Also sorry some of these are the wrong orientation.
Anyway … so this is the clawing I’m seeing:

This is the whole plant (sideways):

this a top down view

So actually she looks slightly better than before, one of the clawed leaf lobes actually straightened out. Just not sure what I should do … if anything.

This is #2 … notice there’s some leaf twisting on the second set. Because this is still pretty young, I’m thinking I could pull her out and mix a heavy dose of perlite to cut the hot soil.

This is from #1, one of the first big fan leaves … would you say this is a “dark green” leaf? I dunno.

 

[swampman]

Water only and If MG is there agood LUCK ...

JUST ADD SONE water for a week or 2 DONT TRY AND flush IT HOLDS slow release , ad too MUCH wwet can cause even more damage

 

[cocolopez]

Thing is it's not all MG. And I been wateribg for like 5 weeks
How long does it release for? Bag says 2 weeks

Edit: um .. where'd my pics go ... mysterious

Edit edit: can see them now ... does this site not play nice with Firefox?

 

[Eekman]

The Bag says 2 Months,

I just got that off of Miracle grow website (organics)

AND, that is if you water your plants throroughly until they are draining out the bottom. So if you are watering just enough to wet the roots with very minimal drainage, you will still have nutrients after two months, and the oF has organic nutrients as well.

I would tale Swampman's advice, he is great at organic stuff.

:Sharing One:

Peace

Eek

 

[cocolopez]

Yeah ... I dunno where 2 weeks came from ... was late when I typed that ...

Funny thing about organics is that some people think unless you mix your own, it's not really organic ... but is considered an organic soil and some people say you should amend it and some say leave it alone ... it's all rather confusing.

I guess I'll ride it out on #1 but I think I'll do some surgery on #2 to cut the soil and get out some of that MG out of the pot. It's all mostly in the top layer so relatively easy to cull.

 

[Eekman]

It IS confusing.

OF has some, but not a lot of nutrients in it. It is just too hot for seedlings. The miracle grow has even less. I think it is a mistrust over the old MG products, and NOW they want to sell to cannbis grower's. Seems a little to opportunistic to me, for it to have the Grower's best interest at heart. With that being said, I do not know about what MG has in it beyond the numbers I saw on the website. It has the stuff you need in it, once you get the little purple guy past the seed stage.

In the future, you could put a layer of seed mix, enogh for a seedling to grow about three weeks ( I use 6 inches as a guide), then put the hot soil under that for it to grow into.

You can amend the soil with other oganic additives, or you could add nutrients as you go, or even a morph between the two as some have done. It depends on how much attention you want to spend on your room.

As a seed and seedling, when it is in the seed germinating, and after it pops up, gets enough nutrients from it own shell to keep it alive for a few weeks.

I could go on and on about how cannabis is a survivor, but that is for another thread.

Good luck, and I will be sending you Karma's. I will be back to check in on your little purple kid.

Peace

Eek

 

[spellbound]

My 1st few grows where with MG seed starter mix and OF and have had lots of PH problems, and still am but this is my last grow with this combo. I will be using Pro-Mix for my next go around. Have read a few articles about OF being very inconsistent in there mix from bag to bag. My problem with it and the MG mix is to high of PH and does not want to lower, flush , flush , flush and still not where i want it to be so Im done and on to the next choice. Super soil is cool in all and if the mix is rite great stuff but to control your nutes threw-out the whole grow, IMO, it's way better to control what the plant needs when it needs it.

 

[cocolopez]

In discovering my "grow style" I'm definitely leaning towards an airy organic soil (cut with perlite) with adding nutes as needed. I look at these kids everyday, not to hard to squirt some food into their water.

I got three fem'd Tran Siberians, 3 fem'd Autopounders, and couple freebies waiting for the next rounds so I'll have lots of opportunity to get this right

 

[cocolopez]

wow these threads get pushed down fast. Here's an update: plant not dead lol. Definite entering flowering and the claw doesn't seem to be spreading. Here's a pic:

I count 10 good bud sites and a handful of lessers. How much should i expect them to swell up in the next 3 weeks? Not going to add any nutes, just going to ride it out with my hot soil. Have decided to go with larger less frequent watering vs. more frequent small watering for the duration.