New Grower Seedling Tips & Techniques

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:Holy Moly:From my recent 1 year seedling experience in about 2 months ive decided to share alot of issues which can either drastically stunt your seedlings growth or can make them flourish and thrive.

I feel that preparation and prevention is always the best cure so hope that new growers will take on board some of these tips.TaNg's Thang

Germination technique with 99% Success rate.

:key:Put in a cup of water half full - swish the water round in a circular motion every 2-4 hours untill the seeds have sunk. (This will encourage any dry top parts of the seed to soak up faster)
In my experience with doing this seedlings can sink anywhere between 6-12 hours, without this swirling motion every 2 hours ive noticed they take alot longer to sink.(Normally 24hours)

:Red Dragon:As soon as they have sunk its very important to now give them air - my favourite method is straight into a jiffy peat pellet but now i am using root riot cubes but any type of seedling starting medium like rockwool etc will be fine (Ensure to never use a potting soil for seedlings, you can find specially composted soils with adequate levels of moisture/aeration/nutrients for seedling stage and anything else could burn your babies and kill them)

Riding the DragonBy air i mean they need a air/water environment some people like the paper towell method but for me this just adds an extra stage of work which i feel isn't essential and actually can increase your chances of killing a seedling if not done correctly

I like to soak a peat pellet or root riot - with root riot i soak untill drench and then squeeze the excess out and when releasing the squeeze naturally the cube will pull in air

With peat pellets i just let them drain for a good 4 hours before planting the seed in so that it will not be waterlogged.

If planting straight in seedling starter soil plant twice the depth of the width of the seed, two shallow can kill a seedling as it will just uproot itself and die if you are not watching it every 4 hours, also too deep and you will bury your seedlings chances
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Create a hole about twice the size of the width of your seedling and then cover with soil, press lightly but enough to allow the soil to enclose the seedling so it has contact to medium, air and moisture 360

Keep in a highly humid environment 80-100% untill the seedlings sprout, shed the seed shell and have cotyledons (Keeping the humidity high keeps the seed shell from drying out and sticking on the cotyledons) Unless you can ensure you are only removing the seed shell from a tiny part of the leaf ie. its not completely attached, you can remove but the strength of the cotyledons will pop it off via growing:karma Cloud:

Temperatures for seedlings should not rise above 80F:hot:

65F Is the lowest the temperature should go but keeping between 70-78F is optimum.

Below 60F can cause shock and will stunt growth."SG1":finger::cuss:

Seedling care

After seedlings have the first set of true leaves humidity should be kept above 60% preferably between 60-80% and no lower than 50% - This allows the leaves to uptake water and allows the roots to focus on growing more feeder roots/and lengthening the taproot rather than uptaking water.

Ensure airflow is adequate with higher humidity to prevent mould. If using a humidity dome/propagator remove the lid/dome atleast one to two times a day to ensure a full recirculation of fresh air. Ensure if using a humidity dome of anykind that its size is in good relation to the plant - even seedlings will quickly use up all the co2 in the air especially with higher temperatures in an enclosed environment.:karma Cloud:

Humidity is very important as it can take up to 21 days for a seedling to develop a true root network and exposing to low humidity before this is developed can cause dramatic shock to a fragile seedling as it will transpire the water the roots are uptaking before it can even use it and this is very detrimental and can lead to aload of watering issues which in turn kill your plant.

I suggest a good rule to follow is 80-100% untill seed has shed its shell.

First 7 days to keep between 60-80%
7-14 days to reduce slightly to 60-70%
14-21 days to reduce to 55-65%
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once a true root system has been developed it should be maintained between 40-60% during vegetation and 40-50% in flowering

I think the most important thing for seedlings to flourish is to never let temperatures get above 80F and to never let the humidity get below 60% in the first 21 Days. After that the plants will be much more tolerant to hardening off.

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This is a great thread. A lot of patients and cg I know always ask for clones bc they can't seem to germ properly. I always have to sound like a dick bc i grow autos and i tell I can't clone the plants i grow, you have to start from seed. They always end up getting pissy at me so i tell them if you need a plant buy the seed and I'll start em for ya. Of coarse after checking out the seed shops online they always say that's expensive.
 
I'm glad this has been posted, my seedlings are 10 days old + 3 days germination. One has just started a 2nd set of leaves and the other has another 2 just popping out. My temps have been between 72 - 77 with the use of an aircon and 2 growlush fans. RH is at a steady 50%, should I get a humidifier?

I'm using a 600w hps straight off the bat but it's at maximum height. I'm doing a hydro grow using autopots. My medium is 2:1:1 cal/mag buffered coco, perlite and Growstones with about 2 inches of growstones at the bottom. I have airdomes for the autopots to pump O2 to the root zone but didn't get them in time to pop these 2 beans. I'm growing 1 60 day wonder auto fem and 1 Green Poison auto fem.

I started out spray bottle watering for the first week, then I started waterings until I had runoff. I read somewhere here that I should only be feeding 32oz of water every other day or so....so I cut back on watering. For instance, I didn't water today but the medium is still moist up to the first knuckle of my index finger.

How much should I be watering in the first 2 weeks above ground from the top down? I'm going to turn on the autopot system this weekend with 1/4 strength nutes. The res is 12 gallons/45L so I'm going to start out at 20ml of grow nutes A + B. This would be 1/4th strength.

How long should the taproot be by 2 weeks old? Do you think it's at the bottom of the pot or at least to the growstones by now?

This is my first ever grow by the way and I'm also new to the forum. Where can I post a grow journal so I can get help when needed and keep track of my progress?

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Hey bro can you give a close up on those seedlings please?

I think theres a grow journal category where you can post your grow mate.

As for your babies i dont know if its the lighting on your camera/hps but they look a little yellow tinged but id need a close up to inspect.

As far as watering - i wouldnt set up the autopot untill around 21 days as it may retain more water than the roots need. I have a 25L Autopot and i swear the soil under half way of the pot never dried out - i personally think autopots work best for big clones as they are going to demand alot of water straight away however its not bad mate just dont hook up the res yet.

In my oppinion with 50% Humidity you do want it a little higher while they are so small - this will slow the drying out process of your medium and will enable you to judge watering much better.

I think with coco your pretty safe on overwatering just spray up the top everytime it gets a little dry.

In your case my friend i think a humidity/bell dome would be great for those little ones in such big pots - will keep that humidity nice and high and they also should have air vents - you'll see much more rapid growth when the plants are drinking through their leaves and not roots - maximum efficiency for the plant. It will also help ensure you dont overwater them :)
 
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Above is my setup right now, I plan to move to the other bedroom which is more secrete and setup my tent instead of using the robe.

These are the best shots I could get under the HPS lights. The white dust is "Rockdust" or Rockaust mineral fertilizer. The guy at my local hydro shop recommended a sprinkling at week 1 and a little dust got on the leaves.
 
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Yeah see the yellowish hue to those seedlings - no matter what people will tell you on here it is not normal and thats a sign that they are moisture stressed. In my oppinion its due to them transpiring through their leaves too much.

See how your plant is drooping but you can see there is adequate moisture at the bottom this is another sign the leaves are transpiring too much

Have you got any large see through plastic tubs or large bottles? You need to create an enclosed environment with slight airflow - a large 2L bottle with the neck cut off and holes put in the top will be fine anything bigger the better

Even a see through plastic bag with holes cut in covered around the pot with good room - hold it up with some sticks or something
 
Yeah see the yellowish hue to those seedlings - no matter what people will tell you on here it is not normal and thats a sign that they are moisture stressed. In my oppinion its due to them transpiring through their leaves too much.

See how your plant is drooping but you can see there is adequate moisture at the bottom this is another sign the leaves are transpiring too much

Have you got any large see through plastic tubs or large bottles? You need to create an enclosed environment with slight airflow - a large 2L bottle with the neck cut off and holes put in the top will be fine anything bigger the better

Even a see through plastic bag with holes cut in covered around the pot with good room - hold it up with some sticks or something

So, cut the top off of some bottles but leave the bottom on? Punch some holes in the bottom, as they will go top down into the soil and create a humid environment? I just ordered a humidifier off ebay to be delivered soon. In the mean time, create a greenhouse effect?

Do I need to moisten the inside of the bottle?

ETA: Here we go, I went all out with the Slurpee cup from today's slurpee. Holes punched at the top, sprayed down the inside of the cup and covered my droopy one with it. The droopy one is the Auto Green Poison. Should I do the other one too, the 60 day wonder? She's looking healthy to me, has a 2nd set of leaves popping out already.

Oh, and I had initial problems with this AGP, the shell got stuck the 1st week so I removed the shell and membrane carefully. The leaves and Cots popped out nicely but the leaves were droopy.

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Hmm you say you sprayed the inside? I would allow the moisture in the soil to create this itself.

You may have just added a load of water droplets which have sunk into your soil

Now that you have watered again i would back off completely and cover with a larger humidity dome

Dont do anything to increase the moisture inside the humidity dome - if its working correctly it should trap moisture
 
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