Simultaneous seed mother and future pollen donor

[Eh?plus]

To keep things succinct:
Currently feminizing an autoflower with sts.

Germinating a variety of seed mothers which will receive fem. Pollen on just a few of their branches.

Question:
Is it possible to use sts spray on the same seed mother plants to create fem pollen while simultaneously creating seeds on other branches?

 

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I reversed an autoflower I took a clone of. It flowered a little, then grew pollen sacks. Now, it has seed pods on it also. So, it will self itself. Keeping it alive to get more pollen, and gonna let the seeds mature.

 

[Doug58]

I reversed an autoflower I took a clone of. It flowered a little, then grew pollen sacks. Now, it has seed pods on it also. So, it will self itself. Keeping it alive to get more pollen, and gonna let the seeds mature.

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I've been spraying two plants with STS for at least a month.

One has developed many piddly flowers that never open, it continued producing buds that appear deformed and I don't see seeds developing. This was not too concerning as I have hundreds of regular seeds from this strain.

The other plant seems to show zero effects whatsoever from the STS spraying. I'm tempted to try direct applications of colloidal silver which is 240ppm since the STS apparently isn't working. Otherwise, this plant will be a total waste since I won't be smoking it. Disappointed because this was a strain I only had two seeds that germinated and was going to fertilize the other plant with pollen from this one.

 

[Doug58]

I've got seeds from my white widow cross developing after spraying with STS. It developed very few actual flowers with pollen. More like bananas coming out of buds that self pollinated. I can see seeds developing. Hopefully won't result in hermies and I will get seeds that are feminized. Won't know until they mature and I plant some to see what they do.

My skunk I sprayed with STS appeared to do nothing, but I will keep spraying it. Might have to pollinate it from a regular male auto I have growing.

 

[Doug58]

The skunk plant I was spraying with STS for over a month was doing little to nothing. I got tired of waiting as it seemed to be close to finishing and with no seeds and not fit to smoke after spraying with STS I decided to pollinate it from a male auto of another strain which would give me hybrid regular seeds. I had gotten to the point where my 8 oz bottle of STS was just about empty and no pollen at all to pollinate a second skunk plant grown from my last seed. I also started spraying with colloidal silver.

So, the plant started to seed up from the pollen from another male plant and is getting well on the way to mature seeds. Today I went outdoors to inspect it and it is finally developing male flowers though it is fully seeded.

I had another female auto in my grow outdoors and decided to try to flip it to male. I couldn't have sprayed it more than three times and it is covered with hundreds of male flowers developing. The most I have ever seen on a plant I have grown.

From my experience with the original skunk plant and another plant of a White Widow hybrid I made last year and grew from seed this year which I flipped with STS, the answer to your original question would seem to be yes.

I sprayed the White Widow hybrid repeatedly, it developed flowers with pollen, then pollinated itself and created seeds. Whether those seeds will all be female or end up being hermies? I won't know until I try growing them out.

Is it worth all the effort and money for the STS? I don't think so. I find regular seeds more viable and easier to make hybrid strains from, myself. If I was limited to growing inside I would prefer feminized seeds. But I live in a location where homegrowing is legal so I can just throw a bunch of seeds into my outdoor grow area and cull the male plants that seem to show their sex before the female seedlings.

 

[Doug58]

To keep things succinct:
Currently feminizing an autoflower with sts.

Germinating a variety of seed mothers which will receive fem. Pollen on just a few of their branches.

Question:
Is it possible to use sts spray on the same seed mother plants to create fem pollen while simultaneously creating seeds on other branches?

The skunk plant I sprayed for a month with STS got nothing but a couple male bananas and selfed a couple small buds. I quit spraying and just let the seeds mature. Plant is about done and then it decided to put out male flowers but there doesn't appear to be any buds left to pollinate.

I thought my STS may have gone bad. Had a small seedling show female traits, I had a small quantity of STS left in the bottle so I sprayed this small plant about three times with the small quantity of STS which I mixed some left over colloidal silver with. That plant went full on male with the most pollen loaded flowers I have ever seen on any male plant.

The company I got the STS from actually sells a package of STS and colloidal Silver together and recommends using them together as a one two punch in flipping females to male for seed feminizing seeds.

 

[Olderfart]

To keep things succinct:
Currently feminizing an autoflower with sts.

Germinating a variety of seed mothers which will receive fem. Pollen on just a few of their branches.

Question:
Is it possible to use sts spray on the same seed mother plants to create fem pollen while simultaneously creating seeds on other branches?

Doable yes, best plan, IMO no. Unless you are into genetic crap shoots, you need to be careful about who is making pollen, and where she/they are. IMO, you are a lot safer making pollen from one reversed plant, collecting it, and using that pollen on however many plants you want seeds from. That way, all seeds will have a known provenance, whether you make crosses or more of what you like. Mix it up with a bunch of potential pollen donors, and you will have no idea what the seeds in hand actually are. I don't spend time and effort on genetic crap shoots, but others seem to enjoy them, different strokes and all that.

Controlling pollen requires serious attention to avoid unintended seed development. If you want seeds on only a few branches, you will need to be bloody careful about pollen application or you will pollenate a lot more than you intend. A Q tip is safer than a brush (doesn't flick pollen around), application is best done outside and well away from your grow tent, and don't even think about pollenating with a fan running anywhere near the operation. On my recent seed run, I grew the pollen donor elsewhere in the house, collected the pollen there extremely carefully (closed furnace forced air vent, very careful to not stir up the air unnecessarily, etc. etc.), moved the mother to that location for pollenation, let the pollenation do its thing for a day, then soaked the mother down with water to kill any stray pollen before moving her back to the tent. As far as I am aware, not one seed developed other than the two pollenated branches. If you don't mind additional branches being pollenated, less care is needed.

Good luck with it.

 

[Olderfart]

Anyone out there have a Mephisto Cosmic Queen that they are itching to make seeds from - I have one seed left. Sadly, only one. But if someone could use it to make more, it is yours for the asking.

Nice strain if you don't know it.

 

[RYCBAR]

Anyone out there have a Mephisto Cosmic Queen that they are itching to make seeds from - I have one seed left. Sadly, only one. But if someone could use it to make more, it is yours for the asking.

Nice strain if you don't know it.

Why not self it? Just spray a few branches (or paint brush it on really to be safe and isolate it) and dust itself?
Better than nothing.

 

[Olderfart]

Why not self it? Just spray a few branches (or paint brush it on really to be safe and isolate it) and dust itself?
Better than nothing.

Maybe, depends on what else intrigues me next winter. Accidental seeding of other plants ain't gonna hoppen, so I would have to set up a completely separate grow space... The dilemma will be what should I make seeds from, given that I will only do one pollen donor? Decisions, decisions.