TLO Photo Grow Woes.

[JM]

Ok, still trying to wrap my head around this. Why is one strain (5 plants) grown in same batch not showing any def signs, they are looking very good as a matter of fact?

also, strain differences add their own spin to the equation,....

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different strains, from different parts of the world... different soils, sun , air temps, etc etc etc... so they have been epigenetically programmed to expect different conditions.. and even use different conditions. also, each strain produces different essential oil compounds... each compound requires different amounts of different types of nunutrition... and thats just the tip of the iceberg...

II'll let piggy jump in and help you here... he is more familiar with TLO for this particular application.

 

[Torched]

Have you had the well water tested? It might have high mineral content that is locking out what you added to the soil.

 

[JM]

yeah, I wasnt gonna go all into lockups caused by hard water... but its a very big problem.. and possibly partially behind your problem... which is why I reccomended flushing... sicne I doubt you have any pepzyme around... and gypsum takes time to break up salts and calcium type hard water deposits...

 

[StickMan]

Have you had the well water tested? It might have high mineral content that is locking out what you added to the soil.

yeah, I wasnt gonna go all into lockups caused by hard water... but its a very big problem.. and possibly partially behind your problem... which is why I reccomended flushing... sicne I doubt you have any pepzyme around... and gypsum takes time to break up salts and calcium type hard water deposits...

Hey Torched thanks for chiming in. jm, thanks for checking back in brother. I have gotten my water tested for micro-critters and phosphate levels, as we used to have a smallish chicken farm not far from us. They for years sprayed their fields with the chickenshit, thus finally leaching into the soil and reaching the upper part of the water table. But to answer your question, no I have never have had it tested for mineral content. I don't believe it is very hard water though, as I have lived with hard water before.

I should have read this book way before now, but I have read a good portion of The Rev's book on TLO today. I have a good idea of where the lock-out came from, but I am not saying my waters mineral content comes into play here as well. With my OD grow last summer and several autos I have grown before this with just water, and a shot once in a while of molasses with a mico chaser. What I did different with these girls was to add liquid Si, 0-0-3 with every watering it was only half strength, I just checked with the water that I typically use, drum roll please 7.0, bingo! There in lies not only the possible causation of the lock-out, but also sacrificing the microherd as well= no nutrient uptake. Flushed 10 plants last night and them gave them some molasses and micos.

Ordered an Accurate 8 PH soil tester today, as none of the grow shops in town had one. All they had were $10.00 ones and $200.00 ones. Muddy and Piggy swear by the Acu 8's though.
Should of had it before I ever started growing. Oh well, way I really learn through hands on experience. Like Oh, shit I will never do that one again!

Off to do some more reading, find out the whats and whys I am growing in TLO.

Thanks again guys.:tiphat:

 

[wwwillie]

Well done Brother!
Hopefully your on your way back!
Peace

 

[Waira]

Stick, please explain further .... was it all the extra K from the Si supp' that caused a K toxicity? Water at 7.0 is just fine, and you know what really hard water is like, so connect the "bingo" dots for me,....

 

[StickMan]

Well done Brother!
Hopefully your on your way back!
Peace

Thanks brother willie, well maybe not so much with this run of the BBKs. Jury is still out on them. Nirvana's Supergirls (Skunk #1 x ?) are still doing fine at this point. But, I will learn how to grow using this simple yet complex style of growing.

Stick, please explain further .... was it all the extra K from the Si supp' that caused a K toxicity? Water at 7.0 is just fine, and you know what really hard water is like, so connect the "bingo" dots for me,....

Waira,my friend. Spent so many more hours researching and consulting with other veteran master growers the last 3 days that I now believe it was not K toxicity after all, IMHO. But, rather it was indeed nute lock out, due to the fact that I threw my micro herd was out of whack. I had to be reminded that with TLO, maintaining the proper soil health in order to maintain the correct microbiological actions of the soil and it's symbiotic relationship with the plants is extremely critical, and a delicate balance. . Also I don't even know what the actual PH of my soil is, or was, after I re-amended it. What I have learned is that anytime you add anything other than water and micos, I should be checking and buffering my PH levels before adding. I had not had this problem with my previous grows and that was before I started adding the bottled Si, and I probably just compounded the problem by adding the liquid P&K. Only if it was one time at 1/2 strength. You know how it is when one has lock-out using any growing medium. You are only compounding the problem by adding extra nutes instead of addressing the PH of your growing medium. Same with TLO, but not as fast to turn around as with other growing modalities.
Hope I explained that somewhat coherent , my friend. :Sharing One:

 

[JM]

Ordered an Accurate 8 PH soil tester today, as none of the grow shops in town had one. All they had were $10.00 ones and $200.00 ones. Muddy and Piggy swear by the Acu 8's though.

I swear by that one too... but with 2 precautions... dont bump it or drop it.. VERY sensitive to shock.. and dont use it in soil right after you water... or soil that is extrememly wet... you'll kill it... cost me 75 bucks to learn that lesson... so half the cost for me by not repeating..

I had not had this problem with my previous grows and that was before I started adding the bottled Si, and I probably just compounded the problem by adding the liquid P&K

and ANY chemical based ferts (liquid ferts) with NPK numbers (and many others) are chemical additives... they kill the herd... period... thats prob the real source of your issue...

to understand better... take some of that liquid next time you have a cut.... put it on the cut... it burns and stings... thats killing cells... now picture yourself a bacteria or fungi in the soil... suddenly a chemical flush of that comes in... it would kill you... see?

then additionally, realize that chemical ferts... are TRYING to duplicate what those micros do... poop out the nutrients you need for your plants... so its a chemical version of being bathed in their own feces... sound fun?

 

[JM]

 

[TxOld Dude]

Well done Brother!
Hopefully your on your way back!
Peace

Ditto!!

Max Karma to ya Bro!!

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