Would Anyone be interrested in me posting results of Techniques used on auto's

[Skunky Smurf]

well said it for years thought i would do a show of it because it seems many have had opinions about this and that often compairing indoor and outdoor techniques like lights will be the same as the sun
every garden will have it own unique situations and specific to that garden circumstances that need to be dialed in but it is well shown already here a good combination of plant manipulation techniques according to light source being used will far "out grow"(for now yield not "proven" yet i guess) a control plant
the thing here is i will as usual provide no finished weights but if it isn't clear enough for the person that theese techniques work on even auto's for growth sorry ???

wow what a mess

 

[Skunky Smurf]

pic #1 control smaller than the rest nosurprise here

 

[Skunky Smurf]

there clearly is an expenential growth rate created once the large fan leaf is no longer shading the multiple leaf under it
when theese grow larger the plant clearly benefits in overall growth

i want plants short enough i don't have to cut 4-8 layers of useless undergrowth that gets little light
if one would think it is a waste of time of growing to fim top possiblly selectively defoliate atleast w/ other techniques like lst will vastly increase the overall light the plant receives
look again at the cheap llumen meter readings at i believe around 30" away for a thousand watter
the other is a couple inches under same place into foliage and only reads around 200

and the more shoot sites i get to create bud instead of cut off and waste is what i am looking for as well

we will see i guess???if we haven't already really

in the pic of one side defoliated other side not you can see that the side that isn't pushing the fan leaf production has thrown up extra internodes
is this a plant reaction to grow more fan leaf ???
i doubt it i would say it shows the side defoliated has to offer less energy to fan leaf production so it could produce internodes faster and each layer of new leaf reciece good light so they grow faster as a result

 

[Skunky Smurf]

now w/ pic 4 above showing the extra internode growth clearly i am gong to more dramatically do this across the garden like usual now that the screen is removed for lower growth to recieve light and stretch to close to canopy height
i am going to reduce the higher basically 1/3 of top height to increase light penetration and plant production to lower branching

 

[Epic Genetics]

something ive often wondered about when it comes to people who are "for" defoliation

you said it yourself , light deminishes at distance , there4 my question is this ,,,,,

why would you remove upper fan leaves , they are the ones that bennifit the most from the least light deminish and the ones who would in turn do thier job benifitting the plant

oh and more bud sites ime have ment more smaller buds but not an overall yeild increase , great if you have a plant that would normally grow huge buds and be at risk of rot

peace

 

[Skunky Smurf]

honestly the only reason i don't remove the lower is to just get as much light absorbtion as possible

so i would remove the upper fan leaf to promote lower branches to get more light
light deminishes at a distance yes the is a fact for sure
but light going through something then being measured is diminished quite a bit more obviously
now w/ this being said
so my answer would be simply this
there may be a vastly dif outcome than one ould assume aside what one would think might happen when light gets to parts that couldn't get as much it will grow faster
Honestly i have heard paople throw around half truths and mixing information in their decisions
aside what one thinks will happen to a plant when some of the plant is defoliated and the other side not
well either like i said it is from not putting the energy into the fan leaf production or light being able to penetrate the many leaf sites which benefit the plant better for faster production
in pic #4 you can see how many more internodes have grown since the branch isn't fattening up some fan leaf instead of bud site

 

[evol]

I came into this late but isnt LST for getting light to places it doesnt normally reach? that way it gets more light to lower parts but still has the fan leaf for food. I dont believe in taking off any part of the plant that isnt completely dead.

 

[Skunky Smurf]

well
but if thoose bud sites were on a stick a wrap around it and only yield 1/4 gram each up the stick compaired to 1 + gram of a larger branch it is simple really
the plant that is not manipulated is clearly the smallest just like when you lst you give each bud site to become a branch instead right?? well they also recieve more light being sideways than horizontal under hids and lights can be closer to plant
ie.. a three foot plant horizontal will out yield the same three feet verticle plant in the end and if one is having issues w/ this i would advise to tweek their regemine alittle to increase yields if that is only concern
where a tiny bud is.. a branch will be
so w/ this being said i am confused like you haven't really read the info on my post you just went for what i always see and have for years people telling how it is w/ defoliation but never showing anything????
i offer you to post what dif you have found if you wish
i only did this step by step for the benefits of people trying to wade through naysayers and find concrete info i would have defoliated them sooner as they grew
but for now in my recorded w/ pictures results of this i show the dif on the same plant on dif branches and defoliation of some light blocking leaf has increased the size of the "bud" and this is just early stages but hey it has grown i believe at least two more internodes larger than the one w/ fan leaf in the same time
All i ever hear is people say it shouldn't work
well all i can say is in every circumstance i have used it it works i find it the least productive if you totally strip the plant of foliage and call that defoliation and say it doesn't work
taken alot of flak for a few years because i wouldn't do a grow comparison to save people from experimenting themselves and seeing what can be done well there it is so far to all the critics that simply say removing leaf in any circumstances is bad ok..
well this shows so far it is valid indoors
the plant not manipulated is far smaller
the control plant not toped or fimmd is the smallest but it is said doing this to an aut will stunt growth???it can for some just like removing a drastic amount of leaf at one time it needs to be done as it grows as i showed on the plant you can no longer tell it was defoliated as one of the first in the mix

 

[Skunky Smurf]

interresting in multiple dif plants of dif phes when larger growth results are shown still hummmm????

there are clearly no shortage of size in any of the other beside the control by comparison the controls were so much farther behind they barely resemble the same plant genetics
maybe this variety will not work in ever circumstance possible but i am not trying to grow a trashbag full of fan leaf wasted on the bottom and blocking out light i want it to be buds

 

[Skunky Smurf]

I came into this late but isnt LST for getting light to places it doesnt normally reach? that way it gets more light to lower parts but still has the fan leaf for food. I dont believe in taking off any part of the plant that isnt completely dead.

Yeah if you totally lst it to the end but it will candleopera back towards light and the fan leaf will shade as i am sure you well know fro experience if you look at pic 4 you can clearly see the two branches and the dif from the technique maybe you should try it