Grow Mediums Anyone out there have experience with 24/7 drip systems?

[Truu]

Have you looked in to a coco drip system? External res, timer on pump to feed, once plants are established its almost impossible to over water, cheap set up, and the grow its pretty hassel free.

I have run a recirc in coco with 15 min feeding times, like i said once the roots were established I could almost run it 24/7 but theres no need to.

 

[KsjAuto]

Thanks KSJ! u r the man. I was going to actually ask this question in your critical jack thread but I didn't want to derail your journal. I have seen your results, some really awesome weed!

What about seedlings though? Like once they have maybe 1 set of true leaves, could you leave them in a drip system on 24/7? Or would they like drown somehow?

I noticed you are using canna's aqua, and so I have started to consider it. I like the idea that it is designed with recirculating systems in mind. However I think we use different lights for flower (I use an LED, where as your CJ is under HPS), and I think I would need to add cal mag... Not sure...

Thanks again for the vid and links, I will check them out!

I'll get back to you on that one..right now i have some water dammage to figure out..wet floorboards,carpet [emoji16]
This aint my day to day.. So any advice from me is a no go today

 

[KsjAuto]

Bare in mind with the no go advice today..:thumbs:
:tiphat:
Did some poking around in my memory...ore the lack of it
Last when i used drippers. was growing with clones, from a bubble cloner. years ago 2007 i think.. "airlift drip"
so the clones already have roots when put into the clay pellets (leca). Did not use any rockwoll ore such to hold the roots /stem..

But right of my mind:
1.Start seed in papertowel. ore prefered method
2ut seed in rockwool, when taproot shows
3.Keep in dome. Mini greenhouse to keep moist.. until you see taproot come out the bottom :smoke:
4.Put in your T.F.R. (Top feed hydro)
5.Turn on dripper 24/7
6.when res change, clean drip ring.
VOILA easy as eating pie.

ohh
wash the clay pellets and soak in ph5.5 for 24 hours

I also use cal mag supplement.. always come in handy with autos
Canna aqua is doing me fine i really like that stuff.. but its still my first bottles.
might try an sensi bloom nutes to se how it.. behaves with my ph flux
Anyways hit me with a pm if any questions.

The only part of dwc I don't like is having the roots in with the pump and stones, and the temp sensitivity that can occur when having roots submerged in nute solution. So for my next grow I planned on using either hydroton or perlite and doing 24/7 drip.

:roflcry:
Had res temp steady at 25c can´t remember how long but about 3 weeks +. no biggy
But think it was due to use of cannazym
Not somethink i whould experiment with tho
:Sharing One:
EDIT: see att. GHE waterfarm manual

 

[Animatey]

Have you looked in to a coco drip system? External res, timer on pump to feed, once plants are established its almost impossible to over water, cheap set up, and the grow its pretty hassel free.

I have run a recirc in coco with 15 min feeding times, like i said once the roots were established I could almost run it 24/7 but theres no need to.

Hey Truu, thanks for stopping by! I am actually a coco drop out... the gal I have in DWC started in coco and she did terribly, because, if you can believe it... I managed to over water coco. lolllll god damn it I don't know what is wrong with me, but I can overwater anything that can be over watered... and so I have to stick with leca or maybe at the most perlite because I am water frequency retarded.

I don't think it says anything bad about coco btw, the fact that I can't grow in it. I think coco is pretty cool, and I wish I had figured it out, but I am a pretty bad gardener x_x and so coco isn't for me at this time lol

Bare in mind with the no go advice today..:thumbs:

:tiphat:
Did some poking around in my memory...ore the lack of it
Last when i used drippers. was growing with clones, from a bubble cloner. years ago 2007 i think.. "airlift drip"
so the clones already have roots when put into the clay pellets (leca). Did not use any rockwoll ore such to hold the roots /stem..

But right of my mind:
1.Start seed in papertowel. ore prefered method
2ut seed in rockwool, when taproot shows
3.Keep in dome. Mini greenhouse to keep moist.. until you see taproot come out the bottom :smoke:
4.Put in your T.F.R. (Top feed hydro)
5.Turn on dripper 24/7
6.when res change, clean drip ring.
VOILA easy as eating pie.

ohh
wash the clay pellets and soak in ph5.5 for 24 hours

I also use cal mag supplement.. always come in handy with autos
Canna aqua is doing me fine i really like that stuff.. but its still my first bottles.
might try an sensi bloom nutes to se how it.. behaves with my ph flux
Anyways hit me with a pm if any questions.



:roflcry:
Had res temp steady at 25c can´t remember how long but about 3 weeks +. no biggy
But think it was due to use of cannazym
Not somethink i whould experiment with tho
:Sharing One:
EDIT: see att. GHE waterfarm manual

Hey man, sorry to hear about your floor dude! That sucks.... Hope you got it figured out x_x...

I think the waterfarms are actually RDWC's. I didn't realize it until recently reading journals, but roots are allowed to grow down into the rez in a waterfarm. So really a waterfarm isn't 24/7 drip (even though it is dripping 24/7), it's really (I think) Recirculating DWC...


The germination method you laid out was actually exactly what I did for my afghan kush ryder that is finishing up in DWC now, and she did great in the begining. I was OK putting her into the dripping DWC 24/7 because of the bubbles below the clay having some sort of "drawing out" effect on the roots.

In 100% leca I wasn't sure if 24/7 would work because no bubbles down below.
So I thought then, there is no reason for seedlings to grow out roots if not looking for depletion zones (because watered 24/7), and no bubbles.

However, since you guys are saying I can do 24/7 drip on 100% leca, that is very appealing to me

Not messing with roots but still having active hydro results is a definite plus over dwc... As long as I can't overwater them, some of my plants might actually yield ok lol ;o

If you don't mind me asking, which cal mag do you use?

I chose CaliMagic by GH because it had the lowest nitrogen I could find in a cal mag supplement, but don't know if it's as good as say botanicares.

 

[KsjAuto]

You can think about the different systems HOW WILL THE WATER GET AEREATED

Water and aereation my 2 cents..
DWC get air from airpump in the res
Uses a small netpot for holding the roots and stem...
Roots hanging frealy in the aereated nute solution

Waterfarm/auqafarm/gemini plantit Systems that use "airllift" comercial setups
gets air from the "airlift" and air from the pellets when water goes thru it
Have a big container to hold the roots. Sits above the res.
Roots is contained... but due to drainage(typically small holes) roots will go down into the nutesolution.
So no deep water culture ie DWC. roots not frealy in the water

Top feed system without "airlift" with leca/hydroton
Usely use Big grow containers.Sits above the res.
Get air from the pellets when water goes thru it.air will be "sucked down" with the water
IM not sure this is the right explanition

IF im wrong someone correct me please....

SOME peeps.. Waterfarm/auqafarm/gemini plantit drill bigger holes in the grow bucket so more roots will go into the res.
Remove the topdrip and use airstone in the res...

My DIY setup is like a disasempled waterfarm.. but i use air pressure to get the water flowing. no airlift. almost no aereated res.... aereation comes from the water going thru the pellets...
It´s like a 2 stage system.. where i can adjust ph slowly. lets say ph is 6.3 and i get id down to 5.5.
it will go down from 6.3 to 5.5 in 6 watering cycles +-, the same goes with ppm levels...:smoke:..

Sorry for the rambling my bad

Anyways
I have a bottlle of grotek cal max...
n 2%
ca 3%
mg 1%
I 0,1%

Ps.. don´t over think this.. grow and learn as is goes
Bucket / medium / water / nutes / you are growing
YOU CAN NOT OWER WATER WHIT CLAY PELLETS.

:Sharing One:

EDIT: GHE waterfarm have been around for 25 years
When roots hit the water source.
AND the airpump fails PLANT will survive until no more water
THATS A FACT...


If you use Tap water .
nutes and supplements is learning as it goes..

I have high content ca/mg water = less cal max...N0thing in veg
Filter my water in flower- les ca/mag water but more cal max suppl. now my ph is stable..
Taking me a year to figure out LOL...:no: crazy right

8 km from here new.water source,, friends place.. he dosn`t use ca/ mg suppl.
:dunno:
Normal

Bigger holes in the grow bucket, NO airstone in res
PLANTS WILL GROW BIG

 

[Animatey]

You can think about the different systems HOW WILL THE WATER GET AEREATED

Water and aereation my 2 cents..
DWC get air from airpump in the res
Uses a small netpot for holding the roots and stem...
Roots hanging frealy in the aereated nute solution

Waterfarm/auqafarm/gemini plantit Systems that use "airllift" comercial setups
gets air from the "airlift" and air from the pellets when water goes thru it
Have a big container to hold the roots. Sits above the res.
Roots is contained... but due to drainage(typically small holes) roots will go down into the nutesolution.
So no deep water culture ie DWC. roots not frealy in the water

Top feed system without "airlift" with leca/hydroton
Usely use Big grow containers.Sits above the res.
Get air from the pellets when water goes thru it.air will be "sucked down" with the water
IM not sure this is the right explanition

IF im wrong someone correct me please....

SOME peeps.. Waterfarm/auqafarm/gemini plantit drill bigger holes in the grow bucket so more roots will go into the res.
Remove the topdrip and use airstone in the res...

My DIY setup is like a disasempled waterfarm.. but i use air pressure to get the water flowing. no airlift. almost no aereated res.... aereation comes from the water going thru the pellets...
It´s like a 2 stage system.. where i can adjust ph slowly. lets say ph is 6.3 and i get id down to 5.5.
it will go down from 6.3 to 5.5 in 6 watering cycles +-, the same goes with ppm levels...:smoke:..

Sorry for the rambling my bad

Anyways
I have a bottlle of grotek cal max...
n 2%
ca 3%
mg 1%
I 0,1%

Ps.. don´t over think this.. grow and learn as is goes
Bucket / medium / water / nutes / you are growing
YOU CAN NOT OWER WATER WHIT CLAY PELLETS.

:Sharing One:

EDIT: GHE waterfarm have been around for 25 years
When roots hit the water source.
AND the airpump fails PLANT will survive until no more water
THATS A FACT...


If you use Tap water .
nutes and supplements is learning as it goes..

I have high content ca/mg water = less cal max...N0thing in veg
Filter my water in flower- les ca/mag water but more cal max suppl. now my ph is stable..
Taking me a year to figure out LOL...:no: crazy right

8 km from here new.water source,, friends place.. he dosn`t use ca/ mg suppl.
:dunno:
Normal
View attachment 396520
Bigger holes in the grow bucket, NO airstone in res
View attachment 396519 PLANTS WILL GROW BIG

Dude KSJ, thanks for all the clarification! I had quite a few misconceptions...

I was going to just let water flow into the clay pebbles, and not drip, which probably would not have come out so good lol x_x

I think to control a couple plants size (very small space 1x1) I might use clay pellets in a bucket because dwc will make them huge.

For my main plant I will probably do another 5 gla DWC since it has come out OK so far lol... so far..

Tanks also for all the clarification on when to use cal mag etc. I don't trust my water at all so I filter it to 0ppm approx and then add cal mag. I have to add quite a bit even during veg beause of LED I guess.

I might copy you on the drip theory of going through the rez every 24 hours THanks again man!

 

[derek420colorado]

I used Waterfarms for years when I first started growing and they are great and can grow monster plants. As Truu stated above if you set the drip ring to water ever 15 minutes for 2 or 3 minutes it is perfect. I did several tests on how often to run the drip ring at first and what I found is that they did not grow nearly as fast when watered 24/7. Once the roots get big enough and get down into the rez it is not as important because they ar submerged in the airated nute soultion. I think your idea will work perfectly and getting the watering down is easy especially because you have the ability to accurately control it and see what the results are and adjust accordingly, with hand watering and soil it is not as accurate or as easy to control. Hope this helps and happy growing!

 

[KsjAuto]

#derek420colorado

Is spot on with the watering cycle......
PLaying around with the watering cycle..... will make the plants explode, When dialed in.

This goes for any top feed systems.... in any grow medium..