Photography Autoflowers NOT imferior to Photoperiods. Period.

[SkatterBrayne]

I think it is time to challenge the notion that photoperiods are 'superior' to Autoflowers in terms of quality and yield.

Strain: Critical Jack Herrer x White Widow (F2 of a cross I am working on)
Lighting: 600w MH
Medium: Coco
Dry Yield: 18 Ounces
Seed to Harvest: 80 Days
Quality: Beyond Dank


I find myself unable to enjoy our beloved hobby, and no longer shackled by paranoia I feel safe posting a few shots of my last crop.

Already surpassing 1 pound per 600w, I look forward to seeing where the cieling is on Autos. Every single crop has been a marked improvement from the prior. As always, quality takes president though.

I have never had a single encoumter with a hermie, autos seem impossibly resistant to light pollution.
I have never had a single encounter with mold.
I have never had to use supplimental heating or cooling, thanks to the resiliance of the reuderslis genes
I will be able to grow autoflowers outdoors in the future, despite the terribly short growing season.


Photoperiods can be monocropped more easily, amd you can grow trees where as autos generslly top out aroumd 5 feet. They absolutely both have their purpose and plsce, but this idea that Autoflowers are some kimd of 'Stepping Stone'', or somehow inferior is nonsense where im coming from. unless you are one of the few people fortunate enough to have a room full of elite mothers, ofcourse.

 

[Eekman]

I don't think you will get too mucn of an arguement on this site.

I already know that potency does not suffer.

But, there are plants that will gain more than two pounds per plant, seen them myself.

I have never seen an auto do that. But generally Indoors, I would agree with you that you could defo get the same amount.

Peace

Eek

 

[SkatterBrayne]

There certsinly isnt the Auto bashing here, but i continue to see growers switching over to photperiods in hopes of improvement, which I think is the wrong approach. Unfortunately many, even here, still believe that the quality of photoperiods is somehow inherently better. I think the misconception still exists thst the autoflowering trait is desirsble, but it is somehow tsinted by the reudy genetics.

To me, it appears, that the reuderalis somehow seems to toughen these plants up. These plants were grown in a climate that never exceeded 62 degrees. Thanks to multiple extended power outages, their light schedule was VERY irregular. my homemade tent was also riddled with light leaks, after being in operstion for a full year. I experienced over 10 somewhat significsnt interuptions to their light cycle. Aggressive training as well. Despite these stressful conditions, only one plant responded unfavorably. the rest, unphased.

I agree about the trees. I hope to grow two monster Photoperiod trees once i get setup on my property next summer. I had a buddy growing 13 foot tall jack herrers which was a sight to behold, for sure.

As far as the cieling for autoflowers, has anybody reached it? Where is the cieling? I recall a SOG that Mitch Connor (Mephisto Genetics) did on another forum, and he was close to the 1.50GPW mark..

I hope to switch towards a vertical light arrangement, which favors my sativa genetics when I move into my new place, hopefully hitting the 1 gpw mark. Still a long way to go, but I domt feel that ai am anywhere close to what these plants are capable of, still.

 

[seraphim19]

Unfortunately mate autoflowers have got a bad name all round and I am constantly having to educate people on them.

I have found that most of the growers I encounter believe that all autos are like the original lowryder. The misconception is that autos are going to yield about 5 grams of weak bud, which then leads them to believe that it is not worth the effort.

Another barrier to opening the eyes of photo growers is good old fashion prejudice. They put down what they don't understand or they grow autos like they would a photo and get less than spectacular results.
In the past year I have converted 5 long term photo growers who used to say "autos what a waste of time" to now growing autos on a regular basis.

The only way we can fight this misconception is through education, and examples. I would happily put my autos up against any photo when it comes to potency, and usually this challenge works to educate and have fun while I teach.

But the tide is turning, every day more and more people are learning how far autos have come since lowryder and it wont be long until they are universally recognized for the awesome plants they are.

Remember when airplanes first became an available mode of transport people used to say if we were meant to fly we would have had wings, I will get the boat! Now the world has got used to air travel nobody would even consider taking a transatlantic ship over a plane(unless it was specifically for the cruise)

 

[Gloomshade]

Most of my mates havent even heard of autoflowers. I'm planning on educating them =)

 

[mephisto]

As far as the cieling for autoflowers, has anybody reached it? Where is the cieling? I recall a SOG that Mitch Connor (Mephisto Genetics) did on another forum, and he was close to the 1.50GPW mark..

Right on, good thread mate!
A few years ago it was 1.2gpw in the 36 plant AF SOG, and that was a pretty easy grow. I think I have surpassed that since, however as it was a seedrun no plants were ever weighed, just ground for seeds

I don't want to go too indepth as we are waiting for the full analysis still, but we recently had all of our strains tested. many.. were in the high teens for thc %, Sour crack was 19.5%, so for a plant that we knew was quick - 55 days from sprout for us, we thought there might be a catch when it came to potency.

Incidentaly one of our favourite photoperiod cuts we inherantly believed was strong, lets say the thc test came out around half the sour C.

OK, it's just one test from one round of plants, but... We will continue on and see what the consistent results are over time.

So potency concerns.. lower quality concerns, I think can be quashed when it comes to the strains people are developing now.

Yield, if you are a competant grower with the right plan and method, again they don't fall short of their photoperiod cousins.

OK, outdoors it's doubtful we will see 2lb AF's, but you could achieve that figure in the same footprint, plant more harvest twice in a season.

We actually have our product in clubs here, do they sell it labelled as auto.. no, do people know they are smoking autoflower varieties.. I don't think so.

I believed the quality has been there for some time, Tim @mephisto actually was a big person to convert, he has an incredibly high tolerance, wake and bake everyday 365, but he's actually getting gollum like about these varieties now.

 

[SkatterBrayne]

Glad you chimed in, Mitch. I had a feeling you have continued to improve, but that grow was still the highest yielding I've seen. Funny that was years ago, too. Great to hear about the impressive test results on the Sour crack. The whole lineup you guys have been working on has me chomping at the bit.

And those GPW numbers don't even tell the whole story. With a dedicated T5 seedling / early veg shelf, were talking about turning over a harvest every 30 days or so with these fast finishing strains(Depending on when you transplant) which is pretty staggering, for a simple perpetual.

I fully intend on converting my setup to a vertical tent in my next grow. I already built the tent, and its all bundled up in the garage My equipment waiting for me to move so I can startup again. I am really excited to see how larger sativa Autos with Vertical 600s & Hydro pan out, without the ability to control veg time / height.

It will be exciting to see what these babies are capable of as experienced growers continue trying them out, and as my fellow newer growers continue to develop our skills, and growing methods.

Dont forget your shade 5s, the futures bright.:Sharing One:

 

[EverythingsHazy]

I don't think you will get too mucn of an arguement on this site.

I already know that potency does not suffer.

But, there are plants that will gain more than two pounds per plant, seen them myself.

I have never seen an auto do that. But generally Indoors, I would agree with you that you could defo get the same amount.

Peace

Eek

But can they do that in 90 days? Sprout to harvest? Idts

 

[dude]

Well you won't like me then....lol

I stared autos after finding here and deciding to do my first grow with autos because....

Lights are on all the time, so making sure it says dark isn't a problem...which it would have been.

Short turn around compared to photos. I thought.

And because of this forum, so autos.

Then the height has become a issue and I found I can control the height of photos much better while still getting a good yeild.

Also less plants longer veg, staggered growing and control over them.

I don't have the time or space, mainly the space to try and experiment and chance loosing the plant/time taken to grow.

Buy the sound of it you have a great set up and knowledge and the time to do these things.

But please don't flame us for this bro. After all, from what I read imagine the shit the guys went through making autos. Bit like the led guys are nowadays.

Atb

 

[wwwillie]

I am late to the game, so autos are pretty much a part of my life. I read about folks and their prejudice against auto flowering varieties but have no experience with poorly performing ones. I have a garden space and in it I grow my medicine. I grow both types now and think there are so many varieties and some real fine genetics that I should be able to find some strains that suit my needs and there will be autos and photos in the mix. IOW I will grow either or and the fact that it may be an auto does not affect the decision in those regards.

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I am late to the game, so autos are pretty much a part of my life. I read about folks and their prejudice against auto flowering varieties but have no experience with poorly performing ones. I have a garden space and in it I grow my medicine. I grow both types now and think there are so many varieties and some real fine genetics that I should be able to find some strains that suit my needs and there will be autos and photos in the mix. IOW I will grow either or and the fact that it may be an auto does not affect the decision in those regards.