Extraction BHO Discussion Thread

[bubblekarma]

Hey Everyone,

I hope you have ironed this out a bit. You may get me in trouble here. Root and I took responsibility for everything in this thread. We won't let any misinformation in here.

Bubblekarma, your only option here is to have your source come here and explain all this. I have to take the stand that purging has to require more time.

Also, not everyone dabs. sticky or budder, it works for me as well either way. So making krumble is not a negative thing, it is just a different way of consumption. It also serves better for medibles, imo.

Also, no amount of information brought to this thread can substitute for practical experience. Keep that in mind.

Weedman, you are probably our foremost leader in this area atm. You have done the research and applied your experience well, so even though I will almost alway check the facts, you have shown to be knowledgeable. Kudo, reps to you.

Root, yer the best, thanks for your astute personal guidance here.

Hope everyone is fine, cuz, I just got home from work, and I am gonna smoke some Carmeliscious/ Sour Orange Kush X Lemon Thai/ Evol's Spice (stuff leftover in the tray).


later.

Well to be honest, there wasn't anything to iron out. I was sharing information, and helping out. I didn't have any hard feelings against Weedman or anyone else. No worries, I've removed all of my "misinformation" to eliminate any questions so you guys can keep your BHO thread. You do realize that telling me to have my "source" come here and explain all this is impractical right? First I'd have to sign up at tokecity, send a PM to HMK, ask him to join AFN, then have him request access to the BHO section here, and argue with you about information that I was sharing. Yeah because that is going to happen.

Look, has anyone followed that link that I posted to the Purging Thread on tokecity? (http://www.tokecity.com/forums/showthread.php?35829-The-Purging-Thread/) The person who wrote the HMK method (Hashmasta-Kut) posts much of his information in that thread, go read it for yourself if you need validation that I'm not just pulling mis information out of my ass. If you read through the entire thread (All 140 pages), and if you are not convinced that there are other ways to properly heat purge with less time, then you can kick me out of the BHO section.

I've not been discrediting anyone in here. I appreciate the information just as much as anyone else. But I find it very rude for someone to straight up tell me that I'm wrong. How are you supposed to build a database of information about BHO if you are so locked down to there only being one correct way. If that mindset continues there won't be any good information here because you are not allowing discussion that will lead to the best information on BHO.

PEACE

 

[Weedman30]

BubbleK no hard feelings as you said.

But what EEK is trying to say i think is this thread was just opened and is still in a Trial Era so to say. The last thing we want is this thread to disappear forever and all our AFN'ers will be left in the dark on any info.

HMK may have the 10min a gram down since hes been doing it for a while. And maybe he does get all the butane out prior to putting in a oven. But thats him. For someone whos never done this before and dosent know what to look for prior to plopping a dish full of BHO in the oven they will get killed or seriously hurt and have a nice visit to the county jail.

Thats the point im trying to push its not a safe act what so ever

And yes i have read a good amount of that link. I still do not agree with his Tech its improper and not safe with the tools and knowledge that are out there for us as we speak.

I think il send a g of my tech and a g of his tech to the lab for residual solvent testing i think that will explain things point blank

 

[ThaGreenBandit]

I hate when things take a negative turn on AFN. Thanks for clearing stuff up, WeedMan. Things seemed to be getting a little tense for a hot second.

 

[Root]

There is no need for negativity.
We are discussing this, which is different than arguing.

My biggest problem with the HMK method is that it was posted in 2010. There are no updates...
More updated methods do seem to time purging in hours not minutes.

We do want to question methods and procedures.
We are looking for the safest and most beneficial product possible.

:Ohmmm.......:

 

[ThaGreenBandit]

I'm cool with that! Keep it safe.

 

[bubblekarma]

Also, not everyone dabs. sticky or budder, it works for me as well either way. So making krumble is not a negative thing, it is just a different way of consumption. It also serves better for medibles, imo.

It is a matter of personal preference, and I think people are getting too hung up on that. However, if you want properly purged B.H.O, budder/krumble is not the answer in most cases. Proper budder can be made once fully purged, but normally it is not. The general amount of people that get a budder consistency as their end product will be underpurged and is not safe for consumption. This is why I said don't go for budder. It has been shown that budder contains more butane and toxins than any other form. Most of the time budder will result from too high of heat or too long of a purge, as well as whipping/stirring before the purge is complete. Since many people make this mistake the first few times, the budder that they get because of this will not be good product and will likely have lots of butane left because of this. My original post talked about avoiding budder for this reason, I don't want someone saying "check out my erl!" when its budder form because more often than not, this budder/krumble is not fully purged.

See what I'm sayin'? We want accurate information and a safe fully purged product, so for most of the people reading this thread, budder is not a desired product unless the extra time (only after it's been fully purged) is taken to take your fully purged product and make it into budder at that point. If you just purge to a budder consistancy right from the start, it's not going to be good stuff, and I just want to make that clear so people who make mistakes (like me) their first few runs can know that their budder is not a safe fully purged product.

 

[bubblekarma]

Also, on the HMK method and the 10min/gram of oil, is that the only reason you guys are hung up on it? I understand it's an old method and there aren't any updates. If you ask HMK, he doesn't provide any updates because he still uses the method with very little changes (so I've read on tokecity). However, and maybe I just didn't make this clear enough, or maybe I just see this BHO section differently then some... but I reference the HMK method as a starting point to learn the process, not as a definitive guide to perfect oil... Methods are meant to be changed/updated/adopted to your personal preference (which will all be different).

Maybe according to standards today, it should be bumped up, but I am still trying to figure out exactly how much. From all of the information I've gathered so far, its definitely possible to have clean purged BHO in less than 1 hour/gram (without a vac). My personal goal: How much can I limit that purge time and still end up with perfect product, and what other variables affect this? Sure, you can do it longer, but I want to find the most efficient way. That's just me personally. Again, I'm not trying to say that anyone else in here is right or wrong, I just like options... Telling me I have to do something one way only is not a good way for me personally to learn. I want to know why I'm doing this and what I'm looking for so that I can understand when I fuck it up, so that I personally can learn and adapt my own process.

1 quick thing here Weedman, is that HMK method doesn't say to oven purge at all, I think you may have gotten that from another post in the Purging Thread of tokecity... Some people do this, personally, I would never put anything flammable in a sealed heat chamber. I can just image an oven door being blown into the neighbors yard. I hear you and do understand the safety aspect, but the oven thing is not originally part of the HMK method. Stay outside during the whole purge, but if you have to bring it inside, do so only after all of the liquid butane is gone, and always, no matter what, stay away from any flame sources (should go without saying, but....).

 

[Son of Hobbes]

bubble,

We got a Reported Post about that HMK thread you posted containing possibly unsafe information. I unapproved your thread for the time being (which does NOT delete it, just takes it out of public view.) There are two reasons for doing this (and I just want to be up front and candid with you.)

1. Reported Posts are always actioned. Always.

2. When we created the BHO forum; it was under very strict and specific rules to help protect members health and safety. If questionable information is posted; we reserve the right to moderate it as we see fit.

I honestly know very little about BHO production. I'm not here to refute or bolster anyone's argument. I just want you to know why that thread was taken out of public sight.

I can have our BHO staff take another look at it; but if it's remotely questionable or outdated, it will be deleted or moderated.

If you have concerns or reservations about methodology here (and this goes for everyone here,) you're all more then welcome to discuss information here as long as you do so respectfully and hopefully with credible information to back it up (and I know you guys will; you're a good lot! :tiphat: )

Thanks guys, and let's kick up some good vibes and karma in here! :Hookah:

 

[bubblekarma]

bubble,

We got a Reported Post about that HMK thread you posted containing possibly unsafe information. I unapproved your thread for the time being (which does NOT delete it, just takes it out of public view.) There are two reasons for doing this (and I just want to be up front and candid with you.)

1. Reported Posts are always actioned. Always.

2. When we created the BHO forum; it was under very strict and specific rules to help protect members health and safety. If questionable information is posted; we reserve the right to moderate it as we see fit.

I honestly know very little about BHO production. I'm not here to refute or bolster anyone's argument. I just want you to know why that thread was taken out of public sight.

I can have our BHO staff take another look at it; but if it's remotely questionable or outdated, it will be deleted or moderated.

If you have concerns or reservations about methodology here (and this goes for everyone here,) you're all more then welcome to discuss information here as long as you do so respectfully and hopefully with credible information to back it up (and I know you guys will; you're a good lot! :tiphat: )

Thanks guys, and let's kick up some good vibes and karma in here! :Hookah:

I understand, thank you for the clarification SOH. All I'm saying is that, in a thread, we could talk about the method (and many others), and point out changes that we would make based on our recommendations. We need a starting point, ya see? Something to discuss, something to pick at. Don't take it down entirely because someone contests it, let us build around it. The thing is, BHO is not an exact science. There are far too many variables to the process, so it becomes a trial, error, discuss rather than a step by step process.

 

[bubblekarma]

Check this out! To follow up with my previous post, here's a great (and fairly recent) video on getting a good budder. Notice how he fully purges it before starting the whipping process, to ensure that it is indeed a clean budder.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P71vbMkFXFA