New Grower Carbon Filter Help

3'x5'x8' closet without a door, which is hardly ideal, but all I have, I probably could have found a tent that would fit but I didn't want to spend a lot.
I have it rigged with a blackout curtain for the light, and a couple small box fans drawing and extracting air.
I have the top floor to my self, but neighbors under me, noise is a concern for me as well, I don't want something rumbling 24/7 in there.
8 autos @ three weeks in there, the odor doesn't really get out of the room yet, but of course I'm really going to need a filter shortly.

Using a closet with out an actual door was probably shortsighted, what are my options?
Does it make sense to keep the black out curtain and run the intake and out take out the bottom, or side maybe, or will I have odor issue no matter what without a door?

Low noise is right up there with odor reduction for me and I just don't have a lot of money, so it's a tense situation.
+ - $100, probably isn't realistic, I wonder what I can get by with.

Thanks for all the help!
 
If the smell is going to be a problem you will need a filter and blower.You probably also need to vent it to the outside if possible.You will still need fresh air coming in from someware.
 
obviously a proper fan and filter is the best solution, but if you're low on dough why not try something like the ONA range of de-odourisers? or something similar? look for products that neutralise odours rather than mask the smell (i believe the ONA range does this). They probably won't eliminate everything but may bring the smell down to a less noticeable level and could provide a cheap temporary solution untill you have the funds for a proper filter set up?
 
One of the issues you are going to face is your setups inability to create proper air pressure within your space. Say if I had a tent with two openings in it, an intake and an exhaust. My intake is rated at XXX CFM (Cubic Feet per Minute) and my exhaust is rated at YYY CFM. If my exhaust fan (YYY) is pushing more CFM than my intake fan (XXX), I've created a negative air pressure space within my tent. What this does is creates a point of suction at your exhaust, pulling more air inside the enclosed space towards that exit than any other possible exit in the tent. You will know you've achieved negative air pressure space because your tent walls should actually sucks inward slightly (or a whole lot if you have a REALLY powerful fan!) The opposite holds true if your intake is more powerful and you create a positive air pressure space; which would cause your tent walls to "blow out" like a balloon, because you are pushing more air into the tent than it's relieving itself. You could hook up a scrubber, but if you are pulling air from a space that is technically very open (that sheet covering doesn't stop air or smell,) it's going to be trying to pull air from EVERYWHERE in your room.

A scrubber is going to work at a very diminished efficiency if you don't have a way to contain your air in the first place. If you have nothing but a dark sheet to cover the closet; that's a tremendous amount of air gaps that's effectively acting as a passive air intake.

My suggestion would be to figure out how to make your closet more air tight. I'm not talking about silicone sealants and an elaborate trip to the shop; but closing up as many as the air leaks as possible. You can achieve negative air pressure even with passive air intakes, so if you work on limiting the amount of leaks you have; then you will have effectively isolated your closet, you are now working in a more CONTROLLED air space. Then you can run your fresh air line with confidence that it's the primary source of intake air flow for your tent (instead of the gaps in the sheet.)

I second the idea that you should buy a carbon scrubber online. DIY projects are for DIY kind of guys. Let's worry about fixing your grow space ventilation before we start a carbon scrubber project :bong:

I just checked prices on Amazon.com and you can get a 4" inline scrubber for about $40 USD or a 6" inline scrubber for about $80. You'll need appropriate sized can or centrifuge fans to move air with these.

Carbon scrubbers are not the end all be all for smell. I had 4 plants in a smaller tent at 5 months maturity that still gave off a little odor from my scrubber. I had about 27 auto's in a 4x4 tent that the scrubber just couldn't keep up with. You will have a house that smells like GROWING weed, not smoked weed, and that's a very discernible difference. I would definitely get your smell in check BEFORE it's an issue, not afterwards. There's nothing like coming home and your whole house smells like a grow op and you have guests coming over in 30 min :o

Just my :2cents: Good luck brotha!
 
I can personally vouch for ONA products. I have used ONA blocks, ONA jars, and ONA mist nebulizers. They are a short term fix but they are INCREDIBLY effective, VERY SAFE (non toxic and safe for you, your plants, family, babies, friends, mother-in-law, etc.) The mist nebulizers were the most effective by far and the longest lasting in my opinion. I could burn through a quart jar of ONA in about a month with good air flow, but the mist spray will last for months. The sprayers are designed with a timer, so you can set it to spray a odor DESTROYING (not masking, I've done a LOT of research on ONA and this is not a deodorizer) mist every 5, 10, 15, or 30 minutes. The misters are usually universal; I had a Lysol mister that was the exact same manufactured product as my ONA mister. In fact, a mister would be GREAT for your setup; that way even when you aren't home, you can be sure (or pretty sure) you are getting a nice smell blocking mist in your room every X minutes.
 
Thank guys, especially vaporhaizer!

Very true that I'm going to have to limit the air leaks, this is might be tricky while maintaining easy access.
Lots of brainstorming and shopping lists happening today.
 
Going to check out ONA stuff in the short mean time!
 
Ona will not deal with your odor issue, in my personal experience. Ona is one of those things you place in the living room to help ward off smell if you're trimming in the bedroom or if you have a little odor leak at the end, but you want odor elimination. A carbon filter outside of your extraction system will not prevent fans from tugging odor out in any way. You want the fan to be sucking air out of the grow space and causing negative pressure, or creating suction everywhere. This way no odor slips out with air leaks from nooks and crannies, it's all forced to pass through the filter before leaving the grow space, dig?

If I were you I wouldn't waste my time messing around with maybes like ona or some of the homemade filters (though many diy filters do work great, you won't know until it's made and in use.). You already have your grow underway and are going to need to keep it safe. Get an inline fan and filter.
can filters
http://www.greners.com/i/fans-venti...arbon-filters/can-filters-without-flange.html

phresh filters
http://www.greners.com/i/fans-ventilation-filters/filters-odor/carbon-filters/phresh-filters.html

Active air inline fans, the cheap but more noisy option.
http://www.greners.com/i/fans-venti...ine-fans-blowers/active-air-in-line-fans.html

Vortex fans, the Cadillac of fans.
http://www.greners.com/i/fans-ventilation-filters/products/inline-fans-blowers/vortex-powerfans.html

I used to have a vortex fan. Lets just say don't wear any loose clothing around those, if the fan gets a hold of it you'll be standing there naked wondering if you just got laid.

Remember, smell is one of the most important security issues there is, don't skimp!
 
I have this set to circulate air through CF (Nyttig Fil900, also Ikea) http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/catalog/products/50151614/.
Then again my set up has walls of white plastic and no roof. That hood sits on top of my "cabinet" doing its thing. It is quite noisy so it is turned off at nights. Then I spray Sonax odor killer in hallway before bed. But the strain itself, Betty Boo, is not that stinky so 8 flowering plants can be dealt with Ikea :D Had I 8 White Widows and I'd be more under pressure.
 
Mr Piggy, I have to whole heartedly disagree about ONA products. :scope: The ONA products absolutely DO work and I will go blue in the face defending them because I have used them, tried every single one of their "residential" product line minus the 5 gallon buckets and commercial products and they do indeed work if you USE AS INTENDED. I also have documented in my grow journals here on AFN my purchases and use of ONA products. Putting a quart jar in a huge tent or a huge room and expecting zero smells is having the wrong expectations for your product. I've even written product reviews on several sites for them; call me a fan boy if you like but the products do work if you have the correct expectations for what you are buying. The ONA product must be suited to the environment and cubic space you are putting it in. Air circulation and air flow factor in how well these products work. I use the ONA blocks in my bathroom, quart jars next to my litter boxes. ONA is only effective for larger spaces in larger concentrations, commercial concentrations, and with additional fan circulation. That's not a product defect; that's a product specification.

HOWEVER, in case my previous posts were not clear or were misleading, his number one solution is going to be a carbon scrubber. My point was that a carbon scrubber will do jack squat if he doesn't tighten up the air holes in his closet so he CAN create a negative air pressure space. My carbon scrubber did wonders for my tent, but it did NOT ELIMINATE the smells completely. Very few things operate at 100% efficiency in this world and a carbon scrubber is no exception (I run 400 CFM centrifuges on my 6" scrubbers, I would have gone with a 700 CFM fan now that I've seen it in action); and it does the job and it does the job well; but it will not eliminate all of his odors. ONA should be treated as an ADDITIONAL smell prevention and control measure, not a sole smell prevention measure. With my 6" scrubber and an ONA mister, I smell NOTHING with my nose right up to the zipper with a tent full of plants. If I just run the scrubber, my basement and back pantry smell like marijuana growing. If I turn off the carbon scrubber, in 15 minutes my house smells like a grow op. Everyone's situation will vary depending on many variables, but this is my personal experience, so feel free to take from it what you will.

If it were ME, and I say this solely as a suggestive opinion; but my first order of business would be to get my closet as air tight as I can so that I have a much more controlled environment for my ventilation.

Second, I would make a diagram figuring out how I'm getting my fresh air into my closet and what my plan is for exhausting it.

Third, I would figure out what size carbon scrubber I need and what CFM rated fan I needed to utilize it for the cubic space of your closet. Carbon scrubbers are far more effective when you have a fan sucking air through them than they are if you have an exhaust fan pushing air into it (so instead of having your fan pushing air out of the tent down a piece of duct INTO the scrubber, it's better to have the scrubber in the tent with a fan on top of it, sucking air up and through the scrubber and exhausting out. If you need proof of this, try reversing your fans on your scrubbers sometime and listen to the pitch the fan blades make. If you notice a difference in sound, case in point.

Fourth, I would see how well the scrubber is working before going overkill. If you are financially strapped, this is your best option. If budget isn't too important, than you can play around with things. For me, I don't have a limiting budget, so I go for overkill because that's what helps me sleep at night.

What are some of the variables in your grow? Are you in a house or apartment? Do you share walls with one or several neighbors? Basement or top floor apartment? You make mention of sound being an issue; maybe you should try to find a 400 CFM fan turned on so you can decide how loud is too loud. I can hear my 400 CFM fan (with freshly lubricated bearings) two rooms away and up the stairs. You may not even need a fan or scrubber that big. How many plants are you growing? What strains are you growing? I've had plants with no smell. I've had plants that smell spicy, like pepper. I had 27 seedlings started in a small box one time and despite being less than two weeks old, they REEKED like marijuana haha! Seriously, like a hardcore pungent dankness. Off seedlings with barely any leaves!

Hermdog, the most important thing is that you learn to try some things for yourself. One thing I've noticed (and AFN is no exception), you will get a lot of advice. Lots of GREAT advice. Some mediocre advice. Sometimes BAD (hopefully not) advice. I've tried things suggested by members with thousands of posts and epicly high reputation, and I found out I HATED those suggestions. Not that they were bad suggestions; and they most likely work and work very well for the people suggesting it; but sometimes you have to take this stuff with a grain of salt and learn what works for you. Have you ever heard the expression "there's more than one way to skin a cat?" Well there's more than one way to grow pot. Don't get caught up in one man's way when you are your own man and are capable of making mistakes and learning from 'em! My first grow was pitiful. My second grow was 10 times better. My 3rd grow was an entire cured pound of ridiculous awesome. My best advice I can give you is to learn to discern on here what is more fact than what is personal bias. Sometimes fact is mixed with bias! And that's not always a bad thing; I don't think anyone is really on here trying to give malicious info out to anyone. You'll find out what works for you. Just remember, like the others have stated, it is only to your benefit and safety that you take these precautions BEFORE you have a problem. ONA and carbon scrubbers won't do anything for you if your neighbors already smell the growing pot and called the cops (or worse.) Best of luck to ya bud!
 
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