Dialing In MEGA CROP for Auto's

[WildBill]

I've had red wigglers living in pots I fed MC to. No. that's a line of bullshit perpetuated by the organic purists. And BTW, there is absolutely no difference between organic and mineral based nutrients in the soil. They are all the same to a plant. The few micro nutrients that need to be chelated for MC are done so using amino acids, which is what soil bacteria do to them and creates the same ionic form that the planst need.

Now ask about those "nasty chemicals" in manufactured nutrients. There are none.... NONE! I've asked every person who has ever said that to me to tell me the exact chemicals they are talking about, I've even emailed so called experts and asked, NO ONE ever has any kind of answer, because they are all just spouting heresay! Abut the worst thing might be EDTA, although even that is debatable as it's considered a food grade compound and it used as a preserative!

My friend uses more MC in one season than this whole forum could use in 100 years. His son runs the books and it's been a moneymaker for them. It has no ill effect on worms or microbes. It has worked well with their soil fertility program with their biodiversity program on their soil building during fallow or winter cover crops. They use almost no "conventional" mainstream fertilizers. I think they have more work to do on their corn program.

 

[Dreminem169]

What's wrong with salts? Essentially all the mostly rather simple nutrients involved here are salts (nitrates, phosphates, carbonates, amino acid chelates; etc.), otherwise the substances wouldn't be soluble. Essentially these same soluble salts/nutrients are in healthy living soil, with fertilizers just supplementing or copying what's in healthy soils. Many of the 'salts' in plant nutrients are also good culture media/nutrients for microbes. Unless soil/media 'salts' levels are too high (likely more affecting the plants first), there should be no killing-off of soil/media microbes.

That was a typo did not intentionally call it mega crap. I was just trying to figure out what they meant when they said it can ‘benefit micro organisms’ cuz everything I heard was it kills the living soil. I would very much like to see if I can run mega crop with organics and not cause detriment to the soil health

 

[Dreminem169]

Since you can run MC without Hurting the micro organisms would I be able to run my Fox Farm trio without it hurting the micro organisms? If not why? What would be the difference?

 

[pop22]

WildBill recently did a grow using MC and organics, it turned out very well.

@WildBill would you post a link to your previous grow for this fellow?

That was a typo did not intentionally call it mega crap. I was just trying to figure out what they meant when they said it can ‘benefit micro organisms’ cuz everything I heard was it kills the living soil. I would very much like to see if I can run mega crop with organics and not cause detriment to the soil health

 

[Kyote]

Since you can run MC without Hurting the micro organisms would I be able to run my Fox Farm trio without it hurting the micro organisms? If not why? What would be the difference?

I used nutes outdoors for years in happy frog soil with photos and had great results when i lived in the states - i think they are organic as well?

 

[pop22]

the key is in keeping the ppms/ec down. Many of us using MC are only using 450-550 ppms, or about half of what many people use with most nutrients. If your in soil that already has organic nutrients, you don't want to add anything until those nutrients have been used, I'd say to not add nutrients until the late veg, begining of flower. I recycle all my soil, so it works great in recycled soil!

I used nutes outdoors for years in happy frog soil with photos and had great results when i lived in the states - i think they are organic as well?

 

[Dreminem169]

I used nutes outdoors for years in happy frog soil with photos and had great results when i lived in the states - i think they are organic as well?

Only part of fox Farms line is organic, But there still are some bottles like grow big that are not

 

[Kyote]

the key is in keeping the ppms/ec down. Many of us using MC are only using 450-550 ppms, or about half of what many people use with most nutrients. If your in soil that already has organic nutrients, you don't want to add anything until those nutrients have been used, I'd say to not add nutrients until the late veg, begining of flower. I recycle all my soil, so it works great in recycled soil!

Pops, even outdoors with photos, I fed at half strength with the nutes

 

[pop22]

When someone says "salts" when discussing plant nutrients they are talking about the ionic form of that nutrient, and the ionic, or salt form, is the only one that plants can use. Those ionic salts are identical even under a microscope, there is no way to distinguish one from the other, so it matters little what's in the nutrients. NOW, when you start talking about all the various additives, "bloom boosters", "bud hardeners" etc, then you open a can of worms because the often use PGRs, plant growth regulators, and other hormones, some of which are actually banned....... but they get away with it.

Only part of fox Farms line is organic, But there still are some bottles like grow big that are not

 

[WildBill]

WildBill recently did a grow using MC and organics, it turned out very well.

@WildBill would you post a link to your previous grow for this fellow?

It was ok for a first run......I got a couple of oz.

https://www.autoflower.org/threads/...s-gg-4-and-gelato-33-under-mars-sp3000.78962/