New Grower Dirty's 2nd amateur 600watt grow

I agree with the suggestions mentioned above - first off, change to the weight method to see how dry/wet the pot is - after a good watering, pick it up and see how heavy it is - do the same when drooping, pick it up and check the weight - I have a theory regarding your drooping and it's related to watering.

The breeze is great and since there's no signs of the leaves forming canoe shapes, it's not the plant perspiring.

I believe the drooping is caused because while the pot isn't completely dry the roots are not reaching the wet soil. Autos are very finicky in their root systems (in my experience) typically when a plant is as small as the ones you are showing their root systems are not very expansive - so they may only reach into 2/3 of the pot for water, meaning even though the bottom portion is wet and still creating weight in the medium, the roots aren't taking up any water. Often leaving them for a bit longer can force the roots to search, but my experience with autos - this doesn't happen very often. In my experience, typically between 30-45 days of an AutoFlower the plant would have reached it's maximum root potential and focus it's effort on budding. Do you see roots at the bottom of the pot or coming out of the pot at all?

Mixing light mix in the pots is great as well and when I did soil I mixed FFOF and FFLW 1/3 2/3 juts to get the plants to their third set of leaves before adding to the water.
Mixing also reduces the amount of feed in the pots, i.e: 4 weeks of nutrients in AllMix becomes reduced depending on the amount of light mix, i.e: 3/4 AllMix 1/4 LightMix = 22 days of nutrient rich soil.

With a 600W HPS the soil should be drying out rather fast - so my last question is, what're your temps?
 
I agree with the suggestions mentioned above - first off, change to the weight method to see how dry/wet the pot is - after a good watering, pick it up and see how heavy it is - do the same when drooping, pick it up and check the weight - I have a theory regarding your drooping and it's related to watering.

The breeze is great and since there's no signs of the leaves forming canoe shapes, it's not the plant perspiring.

I believe the drooping is caused because while the pot isn't completely dry the roots are not reaching the wet soil. Autos are very finicky in their root systems (in my experience) typically when a plant is as small as the ones you are showing their root systems are not very expansive - so they may only reach into 2/3 of the pot for water, meaning even though the bottom portion is wet and still creating weight in the medium, the roots aren't taking up any water. Often leaving them for a bit longer can force the roots to search, but my experience with autos - this doesn't happen very often. In my experience, typically between 30-45 days of an AutoFlower the plant would have reached it's maximum root potential and focus it's effort on budding. Do you see roots at the bottom of the pot or coming out of the pot at all?

Mixing light mix in the pots is great as well and when I did soil I mixed FFOF and FFLW 1/3 2/3 juts to get the plants to their third set of leaves before adding to the water.
Mixing also reduces the amount of feed in the pots, i.e: 4 weeks of nutrients in AllMix becomes reduced depending on the amount of light mix, i.e: 3/4 AllMix 1/4 LightMix = 22 days of nutrient rich soil.

With a 600W HPS the soil should be drying out rather fast - so my last question is, what're your temps?

Hey goodie! Hope all is well :smokebuds:

Sorry for the delay in response, iv been taking a break and making the most of the holidays :bong:
Thanks for the fantastic response, so many pointers to take on board! Since i last posted i have moved to the weight method, the drooping has almost completely diminished, the only time i notice any drooping is when my lights are off or just as they have came on. I cant see any roots coming out of the bottom of my pots, or out of the holes in the airpots, im just hoping they form a nice root structure :brow:
Great tips on the biobizz soil as well goodie, i have a 3/4 all mix 1/4 lightmix so you did the math for me! :booya:

Cheers for the fabulous advice again! It really helps


Happy holidays :peace:

Dirty
 
It's hard to tell under that HPS, but they look fine to me. Droopy usually means thirsty. What ph are you getting in and out?

Thanks for the interest Squids! And sorry for taking my time to reply,
My input ph is 6.1 and the one thing i keep forgetting to do when feeding my girls is to check what my ph is coming out at :mad: ill make sure to do it and get it posted :smokebuds:

Happy Holidays! :peace:

Dirty
 
Anytime dude. You've gotten some good advice here otherwise, but I still wanna know what your runoff Ph is. Ph is make or break IMO. Some folks get away with it, but if it's on purpose then you are really experienced with exactly what you are using over and over. Once you're dialed in you can begin checking Ph less, but right now it is an every time thing. In and Out and get a soil probe if you can afford the $50.

:smokebuds:
 
Anytime dude. You've gotten some good advice here otherwise, but I still wanna know what your runoff Ph is. Ph is make or break IMO. Some folks get away with it, but if it's on purpose then you are really experienced with exactly what you are using over and over. Once you're dialed in you can begin checking Ph less, but right now it is an every time thing. In and Out and get a soil probe if you can afford the $50.

:smokebuds:


Sorry squid! I was sure i replied yesterday.. But obviously not :joint:

Ill get some more pics up soon, my gardens looking a lot healthier, and ill definitely look into getting a soil probe, it would be careless not to, considering i spent a fair bit on the nutes! Cheers for the great advice.. Ill get my ph run off posted up as well. :check:

Hope all is well :peace:

Dirty
 
Just a quick update...

I got a ph run off from my plants today and its reading at 7.4. :no:

And before feeding my plants my solution is ph 6.2.. So I guess my soil is buffering my ph up by 1.2? :(

Iv looked around for advice and it seems the best thing to do would be to flush my plants until i get a ph run off of 6.4-6.6.
So i put some all mix soil into a small pot to trial with to see what the "perfect" ph would be, i flushed through with water at ph 5.6 and the drain off was 7.4, i flushed the soil through with water at ph 3.5 and the ph run off came out at 7.3.. Im really starting to think this soil was a bad choice.. Stuck towards what to do next

Need the help!

Dirty:peace:
 
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Hey guys!
just thought I'd post another update..:confused:

I have noticed my plants starting to go rusty/yellow on their lower leaves so decided to flush and give a light feeding of epsom salts,
thinking that the problem is either too much nutrient content or cal/mag deficiency
one of my plants had a nutrient run off with an ec reading of 1.4:no: so flushed my pot until the run off was coming in at 0.7.
here are some pictures I took a couple of days ago before I flushed.. you will notice some close ups of the leaves that have deficiencies.

Iv tried putting the pictures up by typing the URL in for ages but its just frustrating me :cuss:

.. So unfortunatly iv had to resort to putting the links up instead,

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162865-015.html

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162864-014.html

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162860-009.html

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162859-008.html

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162856-006.html

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162850-005.html

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162842-004.html

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162834-003.html

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162863-013.html

https://www.autoflower.org/members/dirty-auto-albums-2nd-grow-picture162862-012.html

Any advice would really be handy right now.. I am colour blind so its a bit awkward trying to spot deficiencies among a few things!

Dirty :peace:
 
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Can't see the pics bro ....wish ya the best ....
That's odd it runs off that high
 
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