Do some auto's need 12/12 to flower properly?

[namvet25]

Thx for the replies. Yes I use seedfinfer..seems I couldn't find auto critical kush anywhere..only the photo strain. Someone else mentioned they are exactly the same as photo's except they flower automatically? I have not found that to be the case at all! Every photo I grew was frosty, dense, thick nugs with potent smoke. Auto's have been the opposite completely! I guess everyone has there taste. I cancelled mephisto because honestly I don't really want to try with auto's anymore..after about 20 plants in 2 years, only 2 were 'ok'..even that wasn't strong, but much better than the rest, which people don't even want for free lol. I feed them, I don't feed them, its all the same result in the end. This though will have been my first grow that actually will not produce anything at all, just 3 big plants with no bud. I haven't yet seen any benefit to doing auto's..i only did them as I had no way to give regular photo's 12 hours of darkness unless it was winter. From what I see..auto's are not faster for me..they still take 10-12 weeks from seed and 20 hours in the light throughout. Photo's may take me a couple weeks more, but use much less electricity and end product is worth it for sure, at least im growing it to consume instead of literally handing it out to beggers on the street..which is what I did with my last 12 zips of auto's lol. I was really hoping to get at least 7 grams off the three plants combined so it would pay my electricity, but that's not going to happen lol. Will give them until Saturday or sunday..if flowers haven't grown at all, im scrapping them and will try my photo..i'll have to find a way to give it darkness once in flower

Enough of the auto bashing please.There are many potent autos that will kick ass and apariently you have not found them.The other main factor are the type of light you use and is it strong enough to produce good plants.If you just don't like autos than grow photos but keep in mind this is auto forum and there is no need to rag on them.

 

[Son of Hobbes]

Thx for the replies. Yes I use seedfinfer..seems I couldn't find auto critical kush anywhere..only the photo strain. Someone else mentioned they are exactly the same as photo's except they flower automatically? I have not found that to be the case at all! Every photo I grew was frosty, dense, thick nugs with potent smoke. Auto's have been the opposite completely! I guess everyone has there taste. I cancelled mephisto because honestly I don't really want to try with auto's anymore..after about 20 plants in 2 years, only 2 were 'ok'..even that wasn't strong, but much better than the rest, which people don't even want for free lol. I feed them, I don't feed them, its all the same result in the end. This though will have been my first grow that actually will not produce anything at all, just 3 big plants with no bud. I haven't yet seen any benefit to doing auto's..i only did them as I had no way to give regular photo's 12 hours of darkness unless it was winter. From what I see..auto's are not faster for me..they still take 10-12 weeks from seed and 20 hours in the light throughout. Photo's may take me a couple weeks more, but use much less electricity and end product is worth it for sure, at least im growing it to consume instead of literally handing it out to beggers on the street..which is what I did with my last 12 zips of auto's lol. I was really hoping to get at least 7 grams off the three plants combined so it would pay my electricity, but that's not going to happen lol. Will give them until Saturday or sunday..if flowers haven't grown at all, im scrapping them and will try my photo..i'll have to find a way to give it darkness once in flower

Last week I received a phone call from the largest grow operation in Arizona asking me for an 8,000 seed order (and I'm not even a seeds guy.) Another farm in Florida was looking for over 3,000 seeds. Farms in California are using autoflowers for quick-cropping when they have problems with their main harvests.

Play around with the strains and improve your growing techniques. Autoflowers are not only here to stay, but are going to be invading the commercial grow space (and it's begun already!)

 

[comet79]

Enough of the auto bashing please.There are many potent autos that will kick ass and apariently you have not found them.The other main factor are the type of light you use and is it strong enough to produce good plants.If you just don't like autos than grow photos but keep in mind this is auto forum and there is no need to rag on them.

Yikes, ok, im sorry about speaking my mind on auto's..i should have known by the sites name that that is not allowed. I will re phrase then...i love auto's and their quality, they have been great to me, but i will try photo's just out of curiosity? I hope that acceptable? Thx for the help guys, sorry again for saying anything bad about them..happy growing all, take care!

 

[comet79]

It is very dependent on breeder, and phenotype. If you want to know for sure about auto's try the Mephisto AVT before you give up on it. The less light hours you give them the slower they will grow, they do not have the same flower trigger as a photo. In fact no one knows scientifically what triggers the flower in an auto. They can be forced to flower with about 80% success by dropping to 12/12 but in a few that trigger doesn't work anymore. If it is already flowering, dropping light schedule will do nothing but slow them down, or worse make them hermie.

I have had one auto that finished in 60 days, the rest have mostly been 70-90 days, and a couple over 100. They will take longer the bigger the pot you give them, or the bigger the rez. They take longer if they are stunted, or have the wrong pH, or many factors.

How long since flower started? Do you have a pic for us? If the flower development stopped, there is a reason for it, and the reason is not likely the plant genetics since you say are large and healthy, it's environmental.

Yes you are right..it is most definitely my environment that has caused these ones to not produce, temps, light, humidity, feedings, waterings, all have been wrong and most likely at the wrong ph and my soil i think is also bad. My fault guys, these auto's rock!!! Thx again for all the help and reminders

 

[comet79]

Last week I received a phone call from the largest grow operation in Arizona asking me for an 8,000 seed order (and I'm not even a seeds guy.) Another farm in Florida was looking for over 3,000 seeds. Farms in California are using autoflowers for quick-cropping when they have problems with their main harvests.

Play around with the strains and improve your growing techniques. Autoflowers are not only here to stay, but are going to be invading the commercial grow space (and it's begun already!)

Yes you are right..auto's are everywhere, i dont think photo's are even being grown anymore! It's all i see on every forum..huge sections and thousands of growers only growing auto's..the photo sections are almost empty! Again, best of luck guys, good luck with growing, and hope the marketing goes well for them through this site. I have fell so much in love with them, that i wont have to be back on the site at all! Thanks guys, this thread can be closed..i found my solution!

 

[namvet25]

Yikes, ok, im sorry about speaking my mind on auto's..i should have known by the sites name that that is not allowed. I will re phrase then...i love auto's and their quality, they have been great to me, but i will try photo's just out of curiosity? I hope that acceptable? Thx for the help guys, sorry again for saying anything bad about them..happy growing all, take care!

Now you say you love autos but earlier you were bashing them,now i'm confused.If you have a problem with them just ask us and some one will try and help you pick some better strains that have been proven to be top quality.We do have a photo section and there is nothing wrong with growing them so if you do let us no how you come out.

 

[comet79]

Now you say you love autos but earlier you were bashing them,now i'm confused.If you have a problem with them just ask us and some one will try and help you pick some better strains that have been proven to be top quality.We do have a photo section and there is nothing wrong with growing them so if you do let us no how you come out.

No, no photo's for me, only auto's. Sorry for the confusion. Again, thx for the help, it fixed my problem.

 

[Waira]

Well, I was going to ask you to fill out the info form to see if we can find out why potency seems to be an issue,... genetics are not the catch-all factor for potency,... You offered no info about your grow nutes, environment, lights,... how you dry and cure,...-- and that can easily make or break even high quality auto strains.. Already I see most likely why your last grow was a flop,... If you got us info and pics, and we would have been able to show you why.... But after reading it all, it's clear, you're not interested in being convinced,....2 years of growing how many stains?
It's true, there are inferior companies, select strains, etc., out there, but the empirical evidence is overwhelming for the quality and potency of many auto strains now,... I don't mean just company proof, but independent testing as well,... This place is packed with newer and old school stoners who know what top quality buds are, going back to the original parent strains they smoked in the late '70's, and have grown huge numbers of auto's to make comparison with... All these people, they have no stake in lying either,.. Who would devote such time, $$, energy, and RISK to such feeble genetics?? Do you think all these people are so utterly ignorant? Besides, do you think multi-million dollar companies like Dutch Passion would waste their time and $$ on scam genetics, and last this long in this consumer feed-back heavy age? If autos were a joke, they would have never made it past the backyard breeder stage, and would have been debunked en masse long ago, that is plain truth... liars and false claims are called out fast and hard in there social media times, right?--- and this no-troll forum is no exception,....
So, the answer to you initial question here is an oxymoron; on rare occasions we get auto's in here that are genetic throwback's to their photo parents and don't auto at all, or are delayed,... In that case, yes, they should be treated like a photo plant.... no process is perfect, and breeding quality auto's is a lengthy high skill task,...

 

[Son of Hobbes]

Yes you are right..auto's are everywhere, i dont think photo's are even being grown anymore! It's all i see on every forum..huge sections and thousands of growers only growing auto's..the photo sections are almost empty! Again, best of luck guys, good luck with growing, and hope the marketing goes well for them through this site. I have fell so much in love with them, that i wont have to be back on the site at all! Thanks guys, this thread can be closed..i found my solution!

You trolled yourself into a ban. Later bud.

 

[Mike20132]

My very first grow was an auto. i tried to grow two plants in a one gallon res. They were fine for the first four weeks or so, then I got what appeared to be an iron deficiency. Turned out it was a pH lockout, and by the time I caught it, one plant was pretty much dead.

To make a long story short, I wound up killing off the weaker of the two plants in the hope that SOMETHING could be salvaged from this disaster of a grow.

Fast forward to about day 100, and I wound up with 4 ounces of dry flowers. Not the most potent weed I have ever had, but I was not really expecting that on my first go at it. Particularly given the problems I had with it.

I suppose my point is that you have to recognize one huge benefit the ruderalis genetics affords: Robustness. Right out of the gate you have improved resistance to pests and other common problems that require more attention with photo strains. And I would be remiss not to mention that the dying plant I tried to kill? Yeah, it actually started vegetative growth again - and aggressively. It did not want to die.

As many others have said, the race to perfect the autoflower varieties of strains is doing nothing but improving all of them. I agree with the sentiment that auto is here to stay, and is the future of large-scale cultivation. It just makes sense.