Mephisto Genetics do you ever defoliate dominant cola fans?

Lunarman,

I'm thinking your plants are too young to be pruned. How old are they? From my experience you shouldn't need to cut anything off a Mephisto lady till between day 27 and 35.

Also if you were at the proper pruning stage you would also want to remove all the pre-flowers below your screen.
 
One more thing I want to point out. Certain strains take Defoliating better. In general Smaller Indica plants DO NOT like Defoliating as much as larger plants. Most large plants and Sativa leaning phenos can take Defoliating better. I actually have HEAVILY Defoliated photo plants in the past to try and increase yield and density. I had some Galadriel plants that you could literally strip of all leaves and it would flourish. But try that on Sour Bubble and total SHUT down can happen. I did heavy Defoliating in veg and then waited til after stretch to start again. I had some killer yields on some plants, but some plants did worse. For Colas late in flower, go lightly on frequency and leave a good portion of stem. I have heard of people getting mold/bud rot from Defoliating Colas too much. Good Airflow and humidity is a must.
I agree, with auto fans I like just pulling them to the main with plant tie loosely but tight enough they can point the actual leaf tops up if they want also way to measure age if u don't choke them out.imo
 
I always leave the best chance for anything lowers 2-3 usually as they are my test buds when drying/curing but everyone else if u don't look worthy more than my thumb in question size then see ya, but more projects edibles etc I try I kinda like having them around, so ultimately guess what u plan to use all of it for them decide your route. I'm doing more of this theory with these autos. Do I wanna learn to run her for fun or do I wanna learn.
 
Lunarman,

I'm thinking your plants are too young to be pruned. How old are they? From my experience you shouldn't need to cut anything off a Mephisto lady till between day 27 and 35.

Also if you were at the proper pruning stage you would also want to remove all the pre-flowers below your screen.
I cut on day 29. Hoping it turns out ok. Plants stalled over last day. Ill report back on the progress. If anything i hope to learn a lil something from this that helps for next time and doing no real harm this time
 
I did cut some away too. I did not mention that. Should have. Good u mentioned it though
Lunarman,

I'm thinking your plants are too young to be pruned. How old are they? From my experience you shouldn't need to cut anything off a Mephisto lady till between day 27 and 35.

Also if you were at the proper pruning stage you would also want to remove all the pre-flowers below your screen.
 
I am generally very cautious with cutting something. Exception: topping but that‘s another story.

Every single leaf is a „power plant“ and provides the vital energy to our beloved plants. Fan leafs primary for growth of the plant itself, branching and also for preservation of the plant during its cycle of life. Sugar leafs primary for bud development.
IMHO every single leaf has its function. Cutting leafs means stress to the lady and it‘s always recommendable to evaluate the benefits vs. possible damage. When you cut some leafs, often you will notice that plants drink less afterwards ... so there is no or nearly no transfer of energy to the remaining plant but less photosynthesis.
I think that spreading the plant (LST, possibly topping) and leaf tucking in order to provide more light to the top and leafs of the lower branches are the key. If the lowest pair of branches are small and weak, a bit of LST of all the other branches above will provide enough light to let them grow quite big (close to the stem „through“ the branches above).
Plants are smart enough to deal with the covered leafs (and a lot of other situations). If there is not enough light for photosynthesis, leafs keep their green colour but start to get flaccid and finally fall down. If not, then there is enough light for photosynthesis. Even a highly reduced photosynthesis of a covered leaf is better than cutting it off.
If you have a very dominant branch whose fan leafs cover too much of the lowers, it can be a benefit to top the leafs instead of cutting them off.

Leafs are „power plants“ ... not consumers of energy.

P.s.: all above is based on my experience and understanding ..I am no scientist.

Cheers and happy growing,

El Gringuito
 
I am generally very cautious with cutting something. Exception: topping but that‘s another story.

Every single leaf is a „power plant“ and provides the vital energy to our beloved plants. Fan leafs primary for growth of the plant itself, branching and also for preservation of the plant during its cycle of life. Sugar leafs primary for bud development.
IMHO every single leaf has its function. Cutting leafs means stress to the lady and it‘s always recommendable to evaluate the benefits vs. possible damage. When you cut some leafs, often you will notice that plants drink less afterwards ... so there is no or nearly no transfer of energy to the remaining plant but less photosynthesis.
I think that spreading the plant (LST, possibly topping) and leaf tucking in order to provide more light to the top and leafs of the lower branches are the key. If the lowest pair of branches are small and weak, a bit of LST of all the other branches above will provide enough light to let them grow quite big (close to the stem „through“ the branches above).
Plants are smart enough to deal with the covered leafs (and a lot of other situations). If there is not enough light for photosynthesis, leafs keep their green colour but start to get flaccid and finally fall down. If not, then there is enough light for photosynthesis. Even a highly reduced photosynthesis of a covered leaf is better than cutting it off.
If you have a very dominant branch whose fan leafs cover too much of the lowers, it can be a benefit to top the leafs instead of cutting them off.

Leafs are „power plants“ ... not consumers of energy.

P.s.: all above is based on my experience and understanding ..I am no scientist.

Cheers and happy growing,

El Gringuito

I totally get what your'e saying and I think its probably true. It made me think that super cropping might be something to think about along with topping in some cases. That way the leaves remain, and you change where the light is going on the plant for the better.
 
I'll post a picture tomorrow of what they look like now after the defol I did on the main colas a couple of days ago. Flowering is starting up now which is likely just the genetics kicking in. But to me the bud sites look nice and open now which is for sure good for air and the 70%RH the tent is at now. And it just looks like there is room for the buds to grow now. I am happy with the minimal defol I did to the mains. It looks like no harm was done anyway. In the next day I'll have a look at older fans down low that aren't looking happy and I'll cut them off too.
Thanks to everyone who got in to the discussion.
 
I'll post a picture tomorrow of what they look like now after the defol I did on the main colas a couple of days ago. Flowering is starting up now which is likely just the genetics kicking in. But to me the bud sites look nice and open now which is for sure good for air and the 70%RH the tent is at now. And it just looks like there is room for the buds to grow now. I am happy with the minimal defol I did to the mains. It looks like no harm was done anyway. In the next day I'll have a look at older fans down low that aren't looking happy and I'll cut them off too.
Thanks to everyone who got in to the discussion.

You are very welcome!

I would invest some money in a dehumidifier to keep RH between more or less 40-50%. You can use the collected water to feed your plants.
 
You are very welcome!

I would invest some money in a dehumidifier to keep RH between more or less 40-50%. You can use the collected water to feed your plants.

I want to keep RH up during flower actually. But going to have a lot of fan power as well.

Tent is in a garage. I have a humidifier in the tent because its an arid climate here and I am keen to keep RH and temp in a VPD sweet spot. And I have a dehumidifier in the garage to reduce the moisture of the structure of the garage. I exhaust the tent air right back in the garage instead of outside because I don't want to waste the heat i created in the tent in the winter. In doing that the moist air from the tent goes in the garage which is bad. And the water collected by the dehumidifier goes right back in the humidifier. Its a nice closed loop system of water that I reuse over and over. I empty the dehumid bucket in the morning and dump that water back in the humidifier.

Also have an RO filter for my plant water source.
 
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