Indoor First Grow 2x4 Tent 600 W HPS

[Mrbubbles87]

Well after the overwhelming amount of responses i decided to go with my gut instincts and flush all of my plants except my Mazar which I gave a regular feed to seems how she is taking quite a bit longer then the rest. Hopefully that equals a bigger yield too

I ended up giving each plant almost 12 cups of ph'd water! This is quite a bit compared to the usual 5-6 cups. Guess they're getting pretty thirsty. I will be flushing them between 1-3 weeks depending on when each plant is ready. I may be harvesting my CJ this weekend but we'll see how she looks. I realize I could be missing out but I figure this route is much safer for my first harvest.

I am going to be over all of my Seedbank recommended harvest dates and they all have at least 70% red hairs. Still no microscope to check the trichs out though.

The only plant that has me concerned is my blue cheese. Hoping she fattens up and the buds get more sense because they're pretty fluffy right now. I did notice some brown spots on the tops of her buds too! My tents been getting almost to 90 a few times over the last few days so I'm hoping its just heat stress. Please let me know f you guys think its something else. Here's a few pics...

Sorry the pics aren't the greatest. You should see dark greenish/brown spots on the sugar leaves. Have no idea what this is. Any help would be awesome!

 

[Mrbubbles87]

PLEASE HELP!!!!

I'm freaking out! Lol No, but seriously I have a situation. Really hope you guys can help me with this. I've tried researching online for hours and I'm just not finding the answers.

Last night I discovered that all of my plants except the Mazar have seeds!!!! How the hell did this happen?

This is what I've found out. There's a few different possibilities. First, I know without a doubt I have had 0 males so that eliminates that possibility. That leaves hermaphroditism. Based on my research I've learned a few scenarios that can case autos to hermie.

One possibility is as the near the end of their life cycle they begin to grow seeds as a last ditch effort when they realize they're about to die. Another more likely possibility as I'm dealing with reputable seed banks is stress. Of course as a noob this is the most obvious. I haven't been easy on these girls. They have had tons of temp variations between 68-88. They've had their light schedule changed mid flower. They were LST'd quite aggressively. And finally what I believe is the culprit is nute stress due to a salt lockout.

Okay so that's the easy part. Now is the tough part because I don't know what the quality will be of my final product. I'm guessing it will still be excellent because I'm not finding more than a few seeds on each plant so far but my yield will be lower and of course ill have a few seeds to pick out of my bags.

This doesn't seem like a big problem but for me it was devastating. I pride myself on perfection and attention to detail. I spent hundreds of hours of research and specifically bought feminized seeds through reputable seed banks to ensure this wouldn't happen. It was also a huge shot to my ego because I felt like I was doing an excellent job on this grow.

I was so devastated about finding the seeds I needed some positive vibes so I decided to chop my critical jack. She was flushed for about 6 days. I realize I should've flushed her longer and had her sit in the dark for a few days but I was freaking our and figured what the hell it's my first plant and I've got plenty more. Plus I'd only found a few seeds on my CJ and they were immature so I figured by taking her down now I could prevent further seeds. Unfortunately I didn't have all the supplies to do docs bud wash but will do that for the rest.

THE HARVEST


I didn't find anymore seeds except 2 so far. She smells amazing and was so sticky! It was my first trim in almost 10 years lol. I think I did an ok job. I ended up with 95 grams wet. Hoping for 20 grams dry and ill be happy seems how she's my first/smallest. I've got her hang drying in my wardrobe box. There's a fan in there on low circulating the air but not blowing on the plant directly. My temps about 70 and humidity around 60%.

I did get a decent amount of trim and popcorn buds. I'm going to try and make a small batch of hash to get some practice before I do a big run. Ill be happy with even a G of full melt off of her. I put all the trim in a baggy and straight to the freezer. Going to try making it tonight.

We did get a nice little scissor hash patty. Put it on top of a bowl and got higher than I've been in a long time. Didn't last more than 30 mins tho

Here's a few pics of the harvest...

SEEDS

Now comes the really confusing/interesting part lol. I've found 2 conflicting philosophies. The first says that a self pollinated hermie seed will retain the genetics of the mother and have a 95% female rate. Basically meaning I've struck gold!

The second philosophy says hermie plants produce hermie seeds. I'm hoping its the first. From what I've found hermie plants will only produce hermie seeds if the plant hermied genetically vs through stress but I'm not sure as I've found opposite opinions everywhere.

Lets say the first philosophy is true and I have struck gold with tons of free fem auto seeds. How will I know which seeds were developed through self pollination and which seeds were crosses? What I mean is what if only 1 plant hermied and pollinated the others?

I have watched these plants like a hawk everyday multiple times a day. I never saw any male parts at all. Even now I can't find any male flowers but I'm not positive on what I'm looking for. I've seen plenty of pics of banana shaped male flowers and my plants have none. I was watching a video that made it sound like the male flowers would grow right into the female flowers and pollinate with their stamen but never showing a banana shaped flower.

At this point they're pollinated and their growing seeds so theirs not much I can do. My dilemma is whether I chop early to prevent more seeds or let them grow the seeds to maturity. In order to decide this I need to know if my seeds will be any good.

Blue Cheese x Critical Jack seems like a good cross to me lol but again I have no way of knowing who pollinated who and whether the seeds will be hermie, regular, or feminized

I appreciate any insight you guys can give me on this. Thanks for all the help you guys have given me. I wouldn't have gotten this far without you.

 

[Mrbubbles87]

C'mon any responses guys? I can't be the only person who's experienced this.

So far based on my research I've concluded that the seeds my plants produce will be feminized because there is no male chromosome. That means I may have just accidentally struck gold. I've found tons of conflicting information online. This article here (http://michiganmedicalmarijuana.org/topic/21773-feminized-seeds-and-hermaphroditism-a-clarification/) is the best I've found so far. This guy sounds like he really knows what he talking about and has scientific evidence to prove it.

Now my question is do I hold off harvesting til the seeds reach maturity potentially supplying me with tons of feminized auto seeds but diminishing my yields/potency and having to pick more seeds out or do I harvest ASAP to prevent more seeds from growing.

The seeds I posted in my pics are slightly green but I think they may still germinate.

And finally I still have no way of confirming if all the plants hermied or if just one did and pollinated the rest. As I stated before I have 0 male flowers that I can see. I'm hoping they all self pollinated themselves but if one did the pollinate the rest I could have some interesting crosses.

I did confirm that all my plants have seeds the Mazar included. The Mazar and Blue cheese which I thought had the furthest left before harvest have quite a few seeds. The berry Ryder's have hardly any. Thinking I may harvest the berry Ryder's ASAP and then let the blue cheese and Mazar grow til the seeds are mature.

Honestly I don't know I'm just trying to stay positive because free seeds are not I'm still really bummed that this happened.

Here's a few pic. I can't locate a single male flower on any of them for the life of me. I did find these under each bud but originally when I researched and asked about these I was told they're female calyxes.

 

[Grim Reefer]

One thing il say your wrong about your leaves aging in your older posts, the yellowing is cal/mg for sure im 100% positive, they are not old enough for that kind of yellowing yet and besides you were still giving them nutes so there is no chance all those leaves are just dying off because of age, its cal/mg, more so mg form the looks of it.

Im thinking one of those girls must of hermied but since i have little experience im not able to tell which one it is. If only a mod could help to look at your pics they would know. Must have been all the stress man but i havent seen it happening that often, where else did you get your seeds from?
Does your mazars have seeds?

 

[Mrbubbles87]

One thing il say your wrong about your leaves aging in your older posts, the yellowing is cal/mg for sure im 100% positive, they are not old enough for that kind of yellowing yet and besides you were still giving them nutes so there is no chance all those leaves are just dying off because of age, its cal/mg, more so mg form the looks of it.

Im thinking one of those girls must of hermied but since i have little experience im not able to tell which one it is. If only a mod could help to look at your pics they would know. Must have been all the stress man but i havent seen it happening that often, where else did you get your seeds from?
Does your mazars have seeds?

That's what I was thinking also. I messed up my nutes and that's why I think they hermied. I just don't know which one or all. Really bummed dude. All my seeds are from attitude including mainly dinafem, Dutch passion, and auto seeds. Don't think it was genetics I'm sure it was from me stressing them. Really don't know what to do now dude

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Pretty sure at this point I either stressed all of them or one of them into a late flower hermaphrodite. Based on my research I should be producing feminized seeds either way. I realize I'm passing on a hermi trait but I don't think that's an issue as I caused them to hermi and they didn't hermi naturally. Looks like I won't be buying auto seeds for a long time lol.

So I guess I may have accidentally grown myself quite a few feminized seeds. I'm going to flush for another week and then harvest the tops. Ill leave the lower branches for the seeds to mature.

I was lucky that most of the plants were pretty late in flower already so still huge buds, lots of thc, and not too many seeds. This leads me to believe either my Mazar or my Blue Cheese was the culprit because these plants have he most seeds and the least bud but I could be wrong. Hopefully after I grow a few of these seeds I can determine if there was a cross.

I still have 6 photos to flower so hopefully I can prevent these ones from turning on me. I know ill be ordering a ph meter ASAP lol

 

[toke]

Got some High Team folks coming to have a look. Will take care of the double post soon.:tiphat:

toke

 

[A4]

xxx

 

[GoAuto6]

Got the double post taken care of bud, gonna have a look around.

 

[Mrbubbles87]

You are correct in your assumption that they will be fem seeds. You are incorrect in your assumption that the trait won't be carried forward. That trait will be carried forward, and even though you may be correct that external stressing may have caused it then it may be easier to cause it the next time. Regardless, that trait will carry on to progeny. It doesn't matter to me whether you grow them out or not but I wanted you to understand that it may hermie much easier on the next generation.

Hope that helps.

Thank you for your response. Was starting to think I was talking to myself lol.

My understanding is because these plants are stable genetics, meaning I stressed them into hermis vs naturally turning into hermis, the self pollinated seeds would be mostly fem, no males, and some hermi.

I've also read a common practice for seed companies to feminized autos is to stress them into hermi and then taking the pollen and pollinating a clone of the same plant or pollinating a different female plant.

I know what you mean about the hermi trait being passed on but the S1 generation seeds should only be slightly more likely to hermi than the F1 seeds. And then each subsequent generation would become more and more likely to hermi. I could understand this theory if the plants hermied under an experienced grower in ideal conditions but when put through the extreme stress of a novice grower I would imagine self pollinated seeds would be a great tool for new growers to learn their strains better, not waste money on seeds they aren't qualified to grow, and get their foot in the door for basic breeding.

Everything I know on this subject has been based on about 8 hours of research online and none of it is first hand. I have read 50/50 opinions on this theory. Because I need to think positively to function I choose to believe the theory that these will be feminized seeds who are maybe only slightly more like to hermi than their mother lol.

Who knows though I could be completely wrong. I will be testing it out for sure and I will make sure to do a full journal/review.

Frankly I'm amazed at how few people have experienced this. I mean I know I'm not an expert grower or anything but I'm a fairly decent gardener and I thought these girls didn't go through too much stress. Especially when I compare the conditions of some other first time grows.

I wish I could blame the Seedbank but Dutch Passion, Dinafem, and Autoseeds are all reputable. The strands I chose were all supposed to be very stable feminized autos and I had no male flowers. So the only conclusion is that I messed up. Now I can try to use these seeds to perfect my grow technique for each of these strains.

In the meantime I have 4 photos that are a month old which ill be flowering after this harvest and after my tent gets a good cleaning. Hopefully I can do better with these.

In the future I think ill get a 4x4 tent to grow my photos and try to grow these S1 auto seeds in my 2x4 but we'll see.

Now my only question is how do I spot the male flowers in my buds. I've read they can be hard to spot when they grow this way versus the typical banana flower you always here about. If I could spot this it would be a huge help because then I could determine which plants hermied and which ones were pollinated. I can post any additional pics you need to help.

Hope this doesn't sound like I'm arguing with you. I've just been finding some many conflicting answers to this question. I sincerely appreciate any feedback. Sometimes it's nice just to have any comment on here lol