Indoor First Grow 2x4 Tent 600 W HPS

[Mrbubbles87]

Wow man that bag seed plant looks massive already. Really well done she looks good. Are you finding it any easier with the photos?

Thanks! She could be a lot bigger but I've only got her in a 3 gal pot.

It's hard to say if I'm finding it easier with photos vs autos. My opinion is that neither is harder to grow then the other. It's no different then growing one photo strain vs another. Different pants have different needs.

Mainly I think she's doing so well because I've have my shit dialed in more now. Temps are very consistent never exceeding 82, my ph is a LOT better with a meter, and I'm learning when to water/feed them.

I do have more confidence with photos just cuz I grew quite a few of them several years ago. Plus my electric bill definitely likes running my hps 12/12 vs 20/4 lol.

This specific plant/strain is very hardy. I dunno if you remember but this is the plant that was in the 2L coke bottle. It was neglected quite a bit. In hindsight I think neglecting this plant is why it did so well. In my previous grow I did too much of everything ie. over feeding, over watering, too much LST.

I still plan on growing both autos and photos in the future. As you know I have over 100 seeds from my hermie autos. I'm attempting to grow 12 of those now to see if they hermie or come out female.

I plan on vegging them for a few weeks under 24 hr t12 lights and then moving it to the flower tent and finishing it under 12/12. This way I can grow it right along side my other photos and do a much better comparison.

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Bad news today. I slacked off this morning and decided not to check on the clones in the veg tent before the flower tent light turned off (one of the disadvantages of having a veg tent inside a flower tent. I had to wait until tonight and check. I made a jackass mistake. Me and the wife were in a hurry to get done last night. Turns out I forgot to plug in the cloner. Pretty sure all my clones are done. I'm going to give them 24hrs to see if they recover. Really bummed cuz I'll have to wait a few weeks to get clones again. Looks like I might be ordering some more seeds. Ugh live and you learn.

On a positive note...
Here's a few pics of my bagseed plant. She's smelling amazing. Easily my best smelling plant yet. Starting to think she's an orange Kush.

 

[sofa]

nice grow mrbubbles! that bagseed plant looks amazing

 

[Mrbubbles87]

nice grow mrbubbles! that bagseed plant looks amazing

Thanks!

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Great news this morning! I checked the clones and it looks like almost all of them have recovered. This plant never ceases to amaze me on what it can persevere through. Good life lesson Ill post a pic tonight so you guys can see the difference.

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Update:

My clones have recovered miraculously. I did end up probably losing 3 of 21. I took a few more last night to compensate. They are doing amazing in the king cloner. I do spray them a few times a day for good measure and I also have a humidifier running right next to them. I also added another shop light so I'm running a total of 6 t12's for a total of 240watts. In the future I'm going to upgrade to t8's because my ballast will work for both. I also have another shop light I can put in if I need to. So far the veg tent seems to be working perfectly with humidity at 50% and temp consistent at 77.

My flower tent is running much better than when it was my smaller tent. I have consistent temps of 77 night and 82 day. My humidity is a little low at 38%. I'm still running 1 600watt hps finally at 100% lol. I'm hoping to get a second 600watt around Xmas so I'll have the full 4x8 space for flowering and then move my veg tent. Baby steps

My bagseed plant is really filling out nicely and still smelling like an orange skunk. Hoping to cut her by 11/15. Unfortunately my meds are running low already from the last harvest so I need her as soon as I can. I hate being in this position again because it prevents me from giving the plant adequate dry/flush/cure time. Basically getting a final product that's not nearly as good as it could be. That's the whole reason I decided to expand to such a large tent and cloner. I saw this coming and I don't want it to happen again. My next few harvests will only be a plant or two at a time meaning ill still be struggling to provide us enough. I'm hoping my quality will be better to help conserve more. So far my bagseed seems like she's going to be killer. She is a lot more frosty and stinky than any of my girls before. Not sure if that's the strain or my growing abilities.

Once all my clones are ready I'm hoping to grow 12-18 at a time. I will stagger them out by a week and also different sizes. I want to experiment and see what works best for me. I'm aiming for medium plants in 3 gal containers. I want to get as much direct light as I can but I don't want a shitload of plants to take care of either.

I'll be experimenting with topping, fimming, LST, and mainly au naturale I want to get to know each of my strains really well and I want to gain as much experience as fast as I can. I think the best way to do that is to let them grow normally without interference and to practice as many techniques as I can handle at once. I'll be using the other growing techniques as a comparison too.

Ill also eventually be doing a DWC bucket vs soil comparison. Ideally I'd do everything organic soil but it's really a PITA doing that indoors. Hauling soil, vacuuming, disposing of old soil, bugs, and mainly ingredient availability. My area doesn't have any hydro shops or even a decent greenhouse so that means ordering everything online which is pretty expensive with shipping. I feel like I could limit my exposure a lot more by doing hydro. Plus I've ran hydro before and the growth rates are phenomenal. I don't necessarily think that hydro is better. I still prefer good ol' soil though. Hopefully once I move to legal state I'll run soil outdoors/greenhouse and hydro indoors.

Ideally I'd like 2 4x4 flood tables and 2 res each under a 600 watt using rock wool or square pots with hydroton or river rock. This would work great for a perpetual for me. Unfortunately plastic res and flood tables are super expensive for some reason. I've built an ebb an flow before. I've seen tons of easy DIY hydro systems but I still prefer a more professional cleaner setup. So in the meantime ill still be mainly doing soil but with a little hydro on the side

That's pretty much sums up where I'm at and where I'm hoping to go.

One thing I have been looking at closer is purple leaf stems with a tiny bit of purple striping on the main stalk. All my plants seem to have them but they seem super healthy. I've found a lot of conflicting information online whether this is a mag def or just the strain. I have learned that I'm giving plenty of nutes. At this point I think not providing enough nutes is one of the least likely reasons for someone to have a problem especially a cal/mag def when using tap water. Usually it's much more likely to be nute burn or ph lockout at least for me.

I have noticed spotting and curling in a few spots on my bagseed plant. Nothing serious she's still doing really well but it still has me stumped. My main problem is my water ph is 8 out of the tap. When I bubble it and let it sit 24/7 it doesn't drop much at all which is weird it used to drop to 7. Winter weather affecting ph? (Yes I know I need an RO system it's already on the shopping list lol.) Now my tiger bloom drops my ph to like 4 so I have to add TONS of ph up to get it to 6.8. (Yes I know I need ph stable nutes lo)

My meter seems to be working great. Everytime I use it I put it in 7.0 calibration solution to make sure it's reading correctly and then adjust it to 7.0 if necessary. I tested this with my drops and it seems consistent. So if my meter is accurate, my ph is 6.8 going in I'm thinking that I either used too many nutes or too much ph up is causing problems. My guess it too many nutes but I have been following the schedule conservatively mainly 2tsp grow big, 2tsp tiger bloom, 1 tblspn big bloom. I water aprox every 3 days 1gal at a time alternating between straight ph'd tap water and feed. So needless to say im a little stumped on this. I'm sure the plant is fine and there isn't much leaf damage but I hate not know what's going in. Another reason I'm leaning hydro lmao


Anyways looks like I've made another gigantic post. Works been slow lol. Here's the pics. They are a few days old so the clones especially look much better than the pics but at least it gives you an idea of where they were before and after my f*ck up. Thanks again for all your guys help and support!

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Hey guys,

Still not much going on. Just a waiting game at this point. Trying to do a lot of planning so forgive me if it sounds like I'm shooting ideas to myself. I have a lot I need to figure out in order to make sure I have a perpetual that provides as much as we need or want

My clones are still looking pretty good considering their rocky start. I'm still misting them just to be safe even tho I probably don't need to. I've peaked a few times and the stems all look healthy with no slime or anything. Water temps seem like they could be cooler but not for sure. I'm just running straight tap water.

Recently I did discover from another member that my tap water is excellent. I was able to obtain our communities annual water quality report just by doing a google search. Obviously it's not a guaranteed analysis for my tap water but at least it gives me a general basis.


I plan on keeping my clones in the cloner until they show roots (hopefully in a week seems how it's been a week already).Then I will put them in solo cups for approximately a 2 week veg. In the meantime I will move the remaining mothers, blue Thai and Dinachem, into my flowering tent.

At that point my wild Thai and lemon Thai Kush mothers should be large enough to take clones.

Here's a pic of the clones and veg tent:

My bagseed plant is getting pretty close. I'm thinking about 2 more weeks before I'll start the flush. She's about 40in tall from the top of the pot and 40in.

I've been doing a lot of strain research online trying to see if I can narrow her down. I'm thinking either agent orange or orange Kush. Obviously a big guess but I'm smelling really strong oranges with a hint of fuel maybe while my wife is smelling lemons lol. Either way she's the best smelling plant I've grown to days.

I've been watching her calyxes super close. Trying to make sure she's not a hermie. None of them appear to be growing beans but I won't feel entirely safe until I crack open the first bud lol. Not seeing any additional spotting or curling.

Here's my blue OG. She's been in flower about 2 weeks. Not really smelling like much yet. Mainly a floral scent. Her clones seem to be doing well even tho I've heard their notoriously hard to clone. I even cloned her a week into flower. Hopefully the clones root. I really don't want to lose this strain. I had to get something else in the flower tent quick though lol.

Here's the Ultrasour. She's about 1 week into flower. Cloned her a few days into flower and they seem to be doing well, fingers crossed!

I've also got a clone of the bagseed plant a few days into flower. Hopefully she turns out like her mom. Ill post pics of her with the next update.

Well that's it for now. Things should get a little bit more exciting in a few weeks here.

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Sorry for the delay in updating this. I've been sick for about a week now and just finally getting over it.

Still not much going on in the garden but I do have a few updates/pics for you guys.

Veg Tent

First, all of my clones had massive roots in less than 10 days! I was amazed by these results especially considering the rocky start they had. I did move about half of them into solo cups. I left the remaining clones in the cloner due to space and also I want to experiment on different rooting sizes to see what recovers the fastest ie. small vs larger root systems. I also topped/cloned my bagseed mother, Lemon Thai Kush, and 1 of my wild Thai a few days ago.

I did recently purchase a shelf system for my veg tent. This was extremely difficult to decide lol. I was contemplating metal vs plastic. I was concerned about chemicals and rust. I ended up purchasing a small metal wire rack (2'x2'x3') with a zinc coating. Based on my research the best would be stainless steel I think. Mainly I got this one cuz it was only $20, zinc coatings are water proof, and mainly because the shelves are adjustable.

I ended up putting it sideways in my tent with the cloner and my humidifier on the lowest shelf. Then my solo cup clones on the second shelf. Right now I can only use half of it because I don't have a light on the bottom shelf. In the future I'll put a single t8 18in light for the bottom shelf. Then I can fill the entire second shelf with solo cups, have larger plants on the side up to 5ft tall and have a small space for my cloner. Sounds confusing but the pics should help. Forgive me I'm on DayQuil lol.

My Dinachem and Blue Thai mothers are getting pretty big in the veg tent. Just waiting for their solo cup clones to take off and then I'll feel comfortable flowering the mothers.

Here's the veg tent with the shelf. Sorry for the crappy pics.

My rooted clones now in solo cups. Also a few seedlings from my Frankenbeans experiment.

Remaining clones plus my lemon Thai, wild Thai, and bagseed tops.

Wild Thai 1 (topped)

Wild Thai 2 (untopped, scared it may be a male cuz it's huge compared to the other one. Still need to clone it/top it)

Lemon Thai Kush (also topped)

Dinachem Mother (almost ready for flower)

Blue Thai mother (also soon to flower)

Bagseed mother

Flower Tent

Getting super close to my next harvest. Predicting a 11/10 chop date for my bagseed plant. She had her last feeding a few days ago with molasses and big bloom. She'll only get straight water from now on.

I did recently talk with my buddy who the seed came from and he says it was a agent orange bag from the dispensary.

I'll take that with a grain of salt but given her smell it sounds accurate. She has very strong orange flavor with a hard to tell undertone. Can't decide if the undertone is more liquor, diesel, or skunk.

She is my best plant to date by far. The smell is amazing. Buds are super dense and covered in trichs. I can't find a seed or male flower for the life of me. I'm loving the size. I could squeeze 9 of her in a 4x4 no problem. I am having trouble with the side branches supporting the buds. One thing I'm trying with other plants is pinching branches to build strenght. Otherwise once my budget allows id like to do 48in tomato cages. I'm also doing some comparisons on LST vs Top vs Lolly pop.

Here's a few pics of my possible Agent Orange

My blue OG is starting to bud up nicely. My Ultrasour is just transitioning from preflowers to full size flowers. Ill do a full update on those in a few days. As stated before I'll be moving a Dinachem and Blue Thai into my flower tent within the next week or so.

Well that's about it for now. I'll try to get some good pictures for the next update. Thanks again for all the support and help! Wouldn't be here without you guys.

 

[Bromeo]

Wow. Lots of good stuff ya got going on there. :clap:

 

[Mrbubbles87]

Wow. Lots of good stuff ya got going on there. :clap:

Thanks! Still wish I had about 10 more tents full lol